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also - the cradle for line in recording doesnt sound great. true, it's one of the geekier functions that will not get used much, but if samsung figured out a way to enable line in recording using only a supplied-for cable, why not iriver?
]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Step 1: check for new firmware.

These guys are always rushing products to market, figuring they can fix "the small stuff" later.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
My biggest complaint is that it doesn't show album art via the color screen. It seems like an injustice not to show album art when you build in such a nice screen.

Here's my review:
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/news/032605_KY_iRiverH10.html]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
Does anybody get the advertised battery life out of ANYTHING? The new iPod Mini is advertised at, what, 18 hours? I'm lucky to get about 5 hours out of the thing.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
#6: I agree. I don't want to ignite yet another iPod vs. everything else flamewar, but when the competition is so mediocre, no wonder iPod is #1. It doesn't have some gewgaws but it does what is advertised, straight out of the box: rip/buy music, transfer music, play music. Done.

It's about the user experience.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
Zen Micro is at least as good as the iPod Mini.

Try it out and see for yourself.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
iPodlounge got what, 25 hours? Whatever the exact number was, they found that in this case, Apple had actually been way conservative with their rating. You're obviously either totally underestimating how much music you listen to (I'm guilty of this myself) or you're using lots of backlight, lots of fast-forwarding and rewinding, using EQ's, etc.

I thought I was getting shafted on the battery life for my regular iPod too, so one day I loaded up one album, put it on repeat, pressed play and let it sit there all day. 12 hours later, I still had about 1/4 battery indicator left, and this thing is rated for 12 hours. So obviously, the way I use the player combined with my perception of how much I use it is coloring my perception of its battery life - but it is working exactly as advertised (in fact, better than advertised).

I wonder if this review included a real battery test or if the battery life comments were just based on similar faulty perceptions.
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The firmware update wasn't available throughout any of the time we were doing our testing. We're happy for the folks who will benefit from it, though - especially whoever will snag our return at Worst Buy!

The battery test was run three times on three different days, by charging the player fully, then loading up the "all songs" list and letting it play until it stopped. 6-8 hours was all we got. Strangely enough, we still got 6-8 hours when using the player as normally - stopping and starting, selecting albums and playlists, viewing photos, etc.

If anyone here using the iRiver H10 with firmware 2.0 can post up how the update addresses the issues we found with the player, please do. We're curious to know if it solves the EQ issues, in particular.

Best,
Barb]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
Well then, that really is terrible. Almost inexcusably bad in this day and age. (It might have been acceptable 3 years ago, but not now.)
]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
Do you guys actually like the stock iPod earbuds? They're total crap... Apple even ADMITS on their website that they exist to make a fashion statement - "and those signature white earbud headphones tell the world you love to listen in style."

I'm not sure if the reviewer is dumb or what, but the player does have a shuffle feature.

Who really gives a f-ck if the preset EQ settings suck? No one uses those.

You do make some good complaints, like glitches in the firmware (which have been fixed) and lack of instructions (don't you guys claim to hate those, anyway?), and overall, I wouldn't buy this player... I'd buy a Zen or a Carbon.

I'm not trying to dis you guys, I love the site, but sometimes it seems like Stevie Jobs has you in his back pocket.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
"80% of our customers who have purchased this product have returned it due to a horrible ownership experience. Please, if you decide to return this piece of crap as well, at least give us a call so we can attempt to convince you otherwise."]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
I have also seen a multitude of advertising for the iPod and accessories on this blog... coincident??]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
You guys dissed an ipod competitor, you must suck Steve Job's dick, wah wah wah]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
The iPod advertising are dynamically generated by the contents of the page. Engadget does not control the advertisements. So it's not a "coincident", and it's not a coincidence either.

For an IT consultant, you're pretty ignorant. Can you kindly share the name of your employer, so I can advise everyone I know to stay away from it? Thanks.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Did not intend for them to be directed personally at the author, but more to illustrate mine, and probably many others frustration with reviewers giving the iPod all the breaks...


As far as the advertising comment... yeah my bad, I was wrong on that one.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
Making the software better, debugging it more, improving the packaging, writing and printing documentation and the like are all things that cost money in development and would ultimately drive up the retail price of the product. Since iRiver's strategy is "more is more" on this product they had to cut corners somewhere to meet their price point.

I do think Apple's making a mistake by gutting the accessories out of the iPod's package. It reduces the "luxury" factor that people have proven more than willing to pay for.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
Maybe because the iPod is by far the market leader? If a site *didn't* acknowledge that fact, it'd be pretty irresponsible. When one company has 92% market share and another comes in trying to compete, it is pretty obvious what they need to do and any reviewer that fails to mention that is not doing their job.

Whether you personally like it or not, any mp3 player is going to be compared to the iPod. Deal with it. At least until you can convince a sizable number of that 92% of the market to buy a different player.

"As mentioned, nothing gets the advertised battery life."

"As mentioned", you are completely, 100% wrong. Read this: http://www.ipodlounge.com/reviews_more.php?id=6524_0_6_0_C

Specifically, read the section devoted to battery life.

Are you saying they just made that up? Are you saying I just made it up when I said my "big" iPod gets better than 12 hours (its rated battery life)? So you're calling me a liar, I guess? Or are you just guilty of selectively reading what you want to read because you want to remain as anti-iPod as you obviously are, and don't want to see anybody say it actually works the way it's supposed to?

The iPod Mini is rated at 18 hours and actually gets 26 hours. The big iPod is rated at 12 and gets at least that (I could have kept going with my test, but I wanted to go to bed).

You really want to keep going with your "nothing gets its advertised battery life" argument?

Maybe some players - like the iRiver - don't. The iPod does. (At least the current models.)

If I didn't own a player and was reading a review, I would sure want to know that.
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The review is fair- and the product was sub-par.

A product shouldn't arrive out of the box broken. Whether that's an iPod or an iRiver.

Instead fallaciously attacking the review or the author, try raising your standards on what is acceptable with a product.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
If you use it in "Browser" mode, the tracks were in order, which was an okay work around. The clock was never right, but that didnt bother me too much because I wear a watch. I had to keep the EQ on normal because the popping was bad, but I have a high quality pair of earbuds. All of it was hacks and self-rationalizations, but... it was a "free" gift.

I read Mistic River forums daily waiting for the 2.0 firmware to come out. I had read that the European models had already adressed these bugs, and that the US models were due. Since the US models have their special DRM software included, they cant use the same firmware as the international ones.

When the 2.0 firmware came out, I upgraded as soon as I could get a download, and all of my problems with the device dissapeared. Yes, sometimes the licences from the NTG content dont work, but I think that is as much a Napster/MS issue as it is IRiver.

For a "free" player, I love it. If I had bought it with version 1.0 firmware, I would of returned it. Now that I have upgraded to 2.0 firmware, I can compare it to the iPod mini, and I like it better. Color screen, size, FM, photos - there are a lot of features that nudge it ahead.

Battery life - I easily get 8-9 hours of it daily. Things that I have found to affect/shorten battery life are using the EQ, SRS Wow settings, and playing DRM protected files. If you play a straight 128 MP3 file all day at a moderate/low volume w/ the backlight used sparingly you should get 8 hours minimum. Especially if you condition your battery.

Is it an iPod killer? Probably not, but it's the closest anyone has come yet. And, it has a color screen, for the same price.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
-ease of use
-form factor
-price point
-software integration
-marketing
-New features that don't cause bloat to prior iteration of the product.

Chill out.
]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/These things like iRiver can be built with only assembly technology.
Besides, now it seems like they are selling products imcomplete, saying
"don't be surprised". The only thing good is cheaper, as always.
]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
iRiver almost got it beat on the first edition, and with one firmware update passed it by a mile!

Oh, hold on, wait, you can actually replace the battery???]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/contacted them before to see if this and another device appeared as an external
hard disk in the "My Computer" window, (because their website is terrible for
anything other than arty pictures, and i hate using media software for file
transfers) and after 2 days i got a badly structured reply offering me
appologies that my iriver didnt work, and maybe a firmware upgrade would do! I dont even have an iriver yet and theyre sorry about me considering buying one!
To be apple free im waiting on psp to come out here. maybe not as long
battery life, or memory, but i can play games. Which the iriver seems to lack too.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/You don't even seem to care that the software included is RUBBISH! iTunes WORKS. I've tried using MusicMatch, WinAmp and Windows Media Player to transfer music to various non-iPod MP3 players and regularly have problems with file transfers. Even Windows Explorer has problems, the fact that you can select 1000 songs in Windows, hit 'copy' and 'paste' and it will forget to copy 8 or 12 of them is a problem with Windows, but it is a big problem nontheless. The fact that iTunes automatically selects 4 gig worth of your music at random if you have a Mini, 20 Gig if you have a 20, etc etc is also something people probably don't even realise if they've never used an iPod. Try doing that with WinAmp or MusicMatch. 'You cannot add these songs because there is not enough space on the player - Please remove songs manually before adding more' - STUPID STUPID STUPID. Also, iTunes automatically keeps track of your music ratings and the number of times you've played a music file, and updates it back to the computer so you can keep track of what you've listened to for future reference. You can change ratings to music while playing it on the iPod. Handy if you're trying to make a 'master' playlist of your favourite music, but have a bad memory for song names. If you hear it and think 'WOW I didn't know I even had this song but it is cool' give it five stars and the computer will record the change next time you syncronise.
For years people Windows users have been sucking up to Bill Gates. Get used to sucking up to Steve Jobs if you want a good MP3 player.
iPod doesn't have a radio? Radio is all talk and advertising these days. If it was any good we wouldn't need MP3 players. BTW some moron mentioned you can't change the iPod battery. GET A LIFE. Do a Google search. You can buy them for US$29 and install them yourself, if you have a brain. Oh wait a minute, you don't. You'd better buy something with a removable battery then.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
The EQ sound ( I tend to use the Bass boost setting due to my crappy headphones and working out in a gym with a lot of background noise) before the upgrade was horrible, with heavy distortion anyplace above about 19 on the volume control. Now, with the firmware upgrade, it sounds great at 27+.

Also, the tracks change MUCH faster between songs, both with regular non-DRM'd mp3's as well as the NTG stuff.

And finally, maybe you got a bad unit, but mine charges just fine with the USB cable alone (no AC adaptor) on both my laptop and my work PC.

Anyway, I think the H10, after the 2.0 firmware upgrade, is an excellent player, and you should give it a second look.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
Regards,
Barb]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
No, he's obviously not common, he's a lord. Sheesh!]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
Pricing?]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
BTW: whats wrong with the manufacturers case? Feeling slimy to the touch is a matter of opinion (and it doesn't do so to me) that good reviewers need to be aware of. The silicone fits the player well and it still allows you to use all the functions and ports. The real test of any case is how often you remove it to use the player and how well it protects against dings and scratches and from those two accounts it does well. Of course it would have been nice if it came with a an armband or handstrap.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
So far, I have been very satisfied with the iPod. However, the iRiver has been far more enjoyable...

"dave" went on a huge and albeit somewhat insulting rant about how great the iPod is and said this:

"For years people Windows users have been sucking up to Bill Gates. Get used to sucking up to Steve Jobs if you want a good MP3 player.
iPod doesn't have a radio? Radio is all talk and advertising these days. If it was any good we wouldn't need MP3 players. BTW some moron mentioned you can't change the iPod battery. GET A LIFE. Do a Google search. You can buy them for US$29 and install them yourself, if you have a brain. Oh wait a minute, you don't. You'd better buy something with a removable battery then."

Frankly, I dissaggree with Dave. I use Windows XP and to be honest it is nice to have a Mp3 player built for my PC. One feature that I really like about the H10 is the ease of battery replacement. When my iPod's battery dies, in 1 to 2 years, I have to either try and dissemble and replace the battery myself, or send it into Apple and pay 100 bucks. Both of which are things I am not looking forward to. But, when my H10's battery dies (Or if I just feel like getting an extra battery for times when I can't recharge the current and run out of juice.), I just slide my current battery off, and replace it with another (They are about 40 bucks per replacement battery), easy and relativily inexpensive. I think the H10's removeable battery is a huge draw for the player, and whether you find it easy to replace the iPod's battery or not, you can't argue with the truth that however easy it is to replace an iPod battery it is all the more easy to replace the H10's battery.

Furthermore, some people do enjoy the radio (Myself included). Maybe you Dave, don't like listening to a sports game, or possibly recording your favorite radio show, but others do; the radio funciontion probably won't ever be used as much as the Mp3 playback function, but that doesn't make it useless (As you seem to suggest).

Finally, let me just point out, that Microsoft owns a significant amount of Apple (They have been buying apple stock for awhile now), it's all part of Bill Gates plan to take over the world (That's a joke, Dave)...

Oh, and let me just point out how childish Dave sounds in these sentences (Brings back nostalgic memories of arguments I had in the 3rd grade.):

"...if you have a brain. Oh wait a minute, you don't."]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
The sound from the headphones is good, battery life not sure about, 5g memory ample, and in general it is ok except I think the hard drive on this thing is wonky and is giving me problems.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
First off, why haven't they updated the review now that we have firmware 2.0? Granted, no one should have to worry about firmware updates as the out-of-the-box product should already have the good enough firmware. However, that didn't stop all the other gadget and electronic sites from updating their reviews, or at least writting a paragraph on what the firmware fixed or failed to fix. Really, Until they update this review it's pretty useless...

Second Problem, this part from the article threw me off: "Furthermore, there’s no shuffle function, so unless you do manually change the names of your tracks you’re always going to be stuck listening in the same old order. No thanks!"

Did they not have enough time to a.) Read the instruction manual. or b.) Look through the H10's interface.? I mean, to say that there is no shuffle function...

Lastly, anyone else think it is stupid that they couldn't figure out that simply tapping once up or down on the touch pad with scroll up or down one song?

This review is decent, however it is out of date (And was even when it was first published, as the firmware 2.0 was released even before the article was....), which means many of their complaints have been fixed with the firmware update. Furthermore, it seems the reviewer was really lazy. I mean, they missed or failed to include some pretty obvious and elementary stuff including: the firmware update, the shuffle function, the one song scrolling, data such as what the settings where for their battery tests (Such as volume level, and EQ settings), etc.

To review the review, I'd give it a C-...

For anyone considering a H10 purchase I would read IGN's H10 review, it seems more fair...]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/where after 3 months the battery was broken and apple wouldn't fix it. I did buy an Iriver H10 in the Us. Firmware 1.00 no problems the Sennheiser (note the name as this is a good headphone company). The only problem I had was this: they don't give the accesoires with it. for 30 dollars you can buy the dockingstation and the remotecontrol. The Dockingstation is actually quite handy: you have an elegant little thing next to your computer. The moment you come home, you push it in and Media player automatically uploads the songs you have downloaded since the last docking. as with the remote control, this will solve other problems.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/
I am worrying about whether to get this or the SC-X105L. I wonder how is the 20 GB version of the H10? Nothing about that here.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/01/iriver-h10-hands-on-review/Dec 19th 2005 1:22AM