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Dell's 17" are sharp OEMs]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
(And I don't mean to say that to put down Apple, I'm quite unbiased. It's just the tremendously annoying users that get on my nerves!)]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
Maybe this will finally make them see - just because it costs more doesn't mean it's better. There's no getting around it this time, it's the exact same piece of hardware...and apple charges you more than twice as much. Justify that one guys.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
Whatever, they're the same monitor with a different shell. One year warranty and twice the price? Nice try, Apple.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
As an Apple "fanboy", I own a Dell 20" LCD Monitor. It's great, it only has one dead pixil. But, I've never heard any mac fan slam the Dell monitor for anything other than being ugly. The Deal-Mac forums are always debating which to buy, and what it comes down to is if you think it's worth paying extra for a more elegantly designed case. I don't. Some do. Some people buy store brand pop, others prefer the taste of Coke/Pepsi.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
Quite frankly, having things match DOES matter to me. You guys can argue price, but I don't really care. I'm sure a lot of other people don't mind either. I bought a $200 coffee maker, a $1,000 love seat and bought $3,000 rims for my car for the same exact reason. They don't make better coffee, are not more comfortable and don't make my car drive faster, they just LOOK NICE.

But isn't that the age old argument with Mac users? We're all concerned about looks more so than anything else?

Fishes,
narco.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/In fact, Dells agressive pricing alone can be seen as the likely cause of apple reducing the cost of their 20" another $100.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
The Apple 20" is a lot nicer visually than the Dell, but the lack of multiple inputs just kills the Apple display in my eyes.

If you bump up the Dell 24" to the 23" Apple, it gets even worse. The Dell display is half the price and has a better pixel response time, contrast, compasite inputs, etc.

Apple has always been way overpriced on their LCDs... for years.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
I don't see why anyone would WANT a glossy screen. Aren't anti-glare coatings on CRT glass used to REDUCE glare? My 2001FP is akin to a matte finished photo. It doesn't suffer nearly as badly from glare as my old Sony GDM-500PS.
]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
I guess nobody here bothered to read the actual article.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
True, but NOBODY has ever paid list price for Dell products. Right now you can buy the 20" is $486 without any additional coupons (which you can find if you look around).]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
I seriously would consider one of these Dell displays over an Apple based on price alone, however in addition to a USB hub it also has a firewire hub as well. The Dell doesn't. Sure it's got a 4 port USB hub vs. Apples config, but if I use firewire and USB, then that's a great feature. I do like the multi-card reader built into the Dell's display - however with all the great I/O features built into the Mac's already, I hardly have a need for those.

Am I on the fence when it comes to this one? Sure - it's $300 I could spend on more Mac stuff! :D

Brian]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
The Benz/Toyota anology is still relevant. Benz looks nicer. Toyota may have the same engine, have AC, and leather seats. I like the Benz. If I have the money, I'll get it.

I like the way the Apple monitor opens up my display properties in OSX when I hit the button on the monitor. It's nice. A dell won't do that.

My 20" is fantastic. Good for Dell for making a high quality monitor at a great price.

Guess what, my Apple looks sweet.

This in no way proves that Apple overcharges for their products. Ther eis an argument here that it proves they overcharge for one, but to me, the case is awesome, and it looks wicked on my desk, right next to the powerbook I dock it with. So they don't overcharge me personally.

If I had a big, crappy, loud, black dell machine, maybe I would want the Dell.

Who cares.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
"Oddly, Dell lists their 2005FPW with a typical response time of 12ms while Apple and the panel manufacturer both claim a 16ms response time."

Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't be the first time Dell is trying to blow smoke up my ass.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/It's clear which one you would buy over here... (Still to expensive, but in general.)]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
Personally, I don't think the Dell monitor looks bad. A bit bland? Sure, but not enough to justify spending 2x the amount to upgrade to a sleek Apple one. I rather buy 2 Dell monitors myself for that kind of money.

So are Apple Monitor owners wrong? No. If they're happy with their purchase, then it was worth it. Same with Dell owners. If the customer is happy, then that's all there is to it.

This does, however, prove that Apple is overpricing their monitors. It doesn't generalize to their other products though.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
It does not "prove" Apple overprices their monitors.

First off, it's only 1 of the 3 monitors they offer.

Second, there is a huge difference in looks. This is subjective. You cannot quanify this for other people.

Hasn't anyone realized that this whole thread has revolved around whether people will pay more for looks?

The answer: some yes, some no.

Its the way its always been with any product.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
Apple and PS pocket rule everithing ele including all of you suck.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
What it comes down to is paying for a name brand, and the look that comes with it. The Apple screens are beautiful, but I chose to save that $450 and buy the Dell.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
I guess no firewire is the only knock against the dell, but on the apple you don't get multiple inputs nor do you get an adjustable stand. Oooh it looks like painted PVC, hey at least it's adjustable PVC.

I grew out of the "make everything look pretty stage" of computing years ago. I'm a graphic designer by trade and I don't care what my machine looks like, it goes under the desk in a corner to do it's job. The monitor is just my way of understanding what I'm doing. Sorry guys, the Dell is a better deal. I love mine, it looks great on my desk as well:

http://img249.echo.cx/img249/7064/dsc000855di.jpg

and

http://img249.echo.cx/img249/8369/dsc000846fs.jpg
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Yeah, so maybe the 30-inch isn't overpriced because it's the only one of its kind and overpriced is a relative thing. But whenerver there's direct competition with an Apple product, the Apple product is too expensive.]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
If anyone knows where to actually *buy* this for $350 please post here and let us know :)]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/
BTW, Chaos Theory... sick game!!!]]>Dec 19th 2005 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/anandtech-dell-2005fpw-vs-apple-cinema-display-20-inch/Dec 19th 2005 12:53AM