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I have NO reason to use Vista, especially since its become Windows DRM Edition.

Maybe less time on all that and we could have WinFS huh bill?]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/V irus
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Hell... what's stopping me from running one of those OSes on VMware and blowing the DRM out of the water?]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/CANT WAIT FOR "WindowsVista LowCaloriesEdition[haxorleague].torrent" hahaha]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/ Hmmm...

People say this will haunt MS. Maybe so, but I think we pocket hackers/pirates/transcoding maniacs are probably in the slight minority. If Dell and other OEM's start shipping Vista equipt system to the vulgar proletariat masses, it'll get entrenched, MS will make their money and all will be well...

Seemingly... >:)

But as people have mentioned, those of us who like to fiddle with our media will stick with what we've got (2K, XP Pro/64) for a while, Vista doesn't sound too apealing with nearly ALL it's really revolutionary features on the chopping block. And when we can no longer hold back...we'll just dual boot...or keep our old systems for a generation and do our media manipulation on them (like us hard core geeks don't ALREADY have multiple systems).

Ultimately though, this could and probably will cause people to start THINKING about OS X and Linux. I know lots of 'non-techie' people LOVE being able to rip their own MP3s and copy pressed CDs. If they spend $600 to $1500 on a new machine only to discover that it won't even do what their OLD one did, yeah, that could lose MS a few customers down the line...

The question is just how far and how many people this will push away from MS. I doubt business will care much...but who knows how far the DRM is going to go...MS could end up pissing virtually EVERYONE in the end.

It will be interesting to watch...especially if Vista DOES turn out to be andother 'Windows ME'...]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
The consumer has no will. XP proved it, and MS is banking on it.
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I for one won't be upgrading to it. I'll most likely switch to a Mac to run commerical apps that can't run via Codeweavers Crossover plugin on linux.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
Chris K is right, the consumer has no will, and also doesn't have a clue. I'll stick with my powerbook and my old XP machine.

Who's with the Anti-Vista faction?

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Hollywood studios didn't get all the protections they wanted in Vista, and record labels have even seen some of their key concerns about copy-protecting CDs left unaddressed.

Although ordinary MP3 files and DVDs will play without any difference...

It isn't your precious MP3s and iPods that will be affected, it will be your HD sources that are already going to be heavily protected. Just look up the measures that are going into BluRay and HD-DVD. The playback software will have to be compliant in order to work with these new protection schemes. It isn't Microsoft's fault, and I be that when HD-DVD playback software starts shipping for XP it will be just as protected as Vista will come out of the box.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
THIS is the theory anyway of how they see it working... it might take a long time for them to get there but rest assured... they will never stop trying.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
Plus, all of these features may not make it to the final product, aka Palladium]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
Yeah, because WPA didn't exactly work as well as MS wanted it to, if you know what I mean. My copies of Windows are all legal and I still disabled WPA on my machines because I upgrade my hardware fairly often. (And I did wait to upgrade my OS until I could turn off WPA.)

If these new initiatives turn out to "not work" either, then I've got no problem upgrading to Vista. The question is how successful MS is going to be in locking things down. If they are as "successful" (as in "not") as they were with XP, then maybe it'll be worth an upgrade for the other improvements. But if they really get it "right" this time, as in truly walling things off from everybody, then screw it. I'll stick with XP or Linux. I've been running Linux on a dual boot for years now preparing for this day, so there wouldn't be any learning curve for me in doing that.
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"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

~Benjamin Franklin

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I have a Beta of Longhorn (screw this Vista crap, Longhorn is a cooler name) and so far, it seems like it will be a good thing for the average user. The install is much more logical and simple for the average user, and the eye candy will please people. And just remember, this talk of DRM is just talk. There is always a way around them, and people will find them quickly. I personally am looking forward to it (once they release everything they promised with it) because it will be the first OS actually designed for 64 bit computing.
Okay, let the flames begin.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
I want Vista and DRM. No really. I will still be able to use bit torrent and play unprotected mp3's all I want. No harm there.

However, with the DRM I have the hope of making copies of my HD-DVDs. I can store them on my hard drive and stream them to my x360 or any other device that has DRM 10. I can't legally do that today. Without DRM there would be no legal way to do this.

No one will admit it, but I bet most people are scared of DRM because they don't want their access to illegal mp3's to stop. I don't even think that is an issue though. No one is saying they will kill off BT or P2P. No one is saying that you can't rip your CD's and transfer them to your ipod.

If your arguing that your ipod use will be affected by Vista then you're spreading FUD!]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
And it is extremely true the masses will not know enough to read ahead and will only slightly complain when it's too late.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
sorry, building DRM into devices which overrides consumer rights granted by US law should be an illegal act in and of itself. Who made MS judge, jury, and executioner?]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
Like #37 points out, in theory this crap should be illegal. Instead Microsoft proudly states exactly what it will do regardless of the consumer rights being steamrolled.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
I totally understand the need and desire to make copies of cd's for backup reasons, but expecting any organisation "to ship me a free new copy of my media anytime mine is damaged forever after I purchase it" is ridiculous.

If I told you that my textbook fell in a puddle and was ruined, you wouldn't suggest that I ask the publisher to send me a new copy for free now would you? Of course not, you'd probably tell me to be more careful with my property, and to go to the bookstore and BUY another copy.

Neither would you advise me (or anyone else) to photocopy every book I own, just in case I drop it in a puddle, accidentally burn it etc.

I'm not advocating DRM or anything, but I don't think copying a CD is an "essential liberty".]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
So what may end up happening is what we saw around 10 years ago, where PCs were used for corporate applications and Macs where used for creative and educational use. And now, use for all other things (music, movies, publishing, fun stuff). PC useres envied these features, they were built into Windows got more attention becuase it was on more computers. I mean, you really don't need to play and rip CDs and DVDs on your work computer unless your business is publishing media of some sort.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
Everyone wins in this scenario, except of course after people discover that OSX does everything they need and more, MS will begin going vertical and start its long slow slide into the freezing waters of technological obsoleteness.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
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Eh, well, Bill is probably saying just that to the rights holders.

Are you serious? You don't think they want to wipe out Movie Downloading of P2p/bittorrent?]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/I think I'll switch to apple.
Over there everything is cheap, itunes, software, and OS (only 1 every year)

yeah sure...]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/http://www.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hollywood-windows-vista-4eva/
yea, it's making me switch to linux.

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One of your biggest companies you work with, Adobe, makes MOST of the creative software in use on the PC today.

Avid, the other big one, yeah, how are they going to react to this? Avid's that big company that switched from mac majority to you because Apple treated Avid like crap. Go on, treat 'em like crap.

I don't know about any of you, but the cost of a single high end video editing computer runs well over $20K. I don't see how they think shutting out media is going to make vendors who make that much in profits happy. Sure, MS can sell 300 boxes to equal one editing suite, but that editing suite (editor) is supposed to provide media content to 5000 or more. And you're going to restrict how he does his job?

WAIT! I just remembered. Most hollywood studios use LINUX to create the content you want to contol... Okay, never mind... That only means the small guys like me are affected...

wait.

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