http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/ Engadget Comments for Verizon FiOS got user-reviewed http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
It even says on the flier thats its good for downloading movies, the mean legally i suppose.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
too bad all the usb and front end connections are disabled.

The box though works good, no lag or slow down.

DVR is nice, even taping HD stuff, rarely fills up.

Do get lots of HD channels (viewing on a 32 inch analog set) and it DOES look killer.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Mine fills up all the time! (though I do have the Pat's Superbowl and the Redsox World series win on there :-D and i'm never deleting them!) I wounder how hard it would be to drop a bigger drive in there.

Anyone try this b4?

And the Comcast DVR is sweet, few bugs, but sweet.

Timmay]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Also, how could they remove the copper? It's a cost issue- removing the copper means they have to put more money into existing phone users who may not get the new services. They only want to make a phone customer a "fios customer" if they can sign them up for internet and/or tv (if available). Phone service is a loss leader, and they can't make up the money by just "switching" you over away from copper.
It's amazing- people complain about anything- what could be bad about super-fast internet service? I mean, 30megs d/l speed is a lot faster than what I have right now with Cablevision, particularly at 8pm at night when all the kids in my neighborhood log on!]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
Haven't heard much about the quality - they don't even seem to have demos in their stores. But the word on the street is that the special Belgian football coverage they are trying to lure new customers with, looks like it was shot by one guy at the back of the stand with a Video8 camcorder...]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
In Manhattan Beach, Verizon is asking...

$40 for 5mb down/.3mb up
$150 for 30mb down/.3mb up]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
That's a "NO" on the copper removal. It's fiber to a termination box outside your house and CAT5 into the house for data -- coax off of the router for FiOS TV.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
The first thing the installer did was remove the copper wire and its old juntion box from the side of my house, and all the copper wire out to the pole in the street - there is no going back. A friend in my town convinced them to leave the cooper and old junction box on his house, but it was a special request that they won't do by default.

The phone quality is clear and works well (better than the very old copper and its associated problems I've had in my neighborhood). And the high speed net access is obviously far superior to the DSL I had before (faster, with no dropouts).

However, I have had Verizon come back several times to fix the installation. The installers have to splice the fiber optic cable during installation and apparently their training and skill level varies dramatically. Now that its working, its great, but it took a few re-tries.

Also, be aware that the dc current that powers your phone no longer comes from the copper from the street. Verizon installs a (very cheap, IMO) converter to provide dc power for your phones. Verizon has a "secret" list of phones that are not compatible because (I believe) their power converter is so cheap and so noisy that it screws up many phones. That was one of the reasons I had the Verizon service techs come back so many times. Eventually I bought a new phone and threw away the one I had.

And as #18 mentioned, if your power goes out, then the back-up batterty will only last 4 hours or so. After that, you no longer have a dial tone.
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That's a "NO" on the copper removal. It's fiber to a termination box outside your house and CAT5 into the house for data -- coax off of the router for FiOS TV.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
The Optical Network Terminals that Verizon originally rolled out are AccessMax 610 and 610X boxes. They can't do IP return over coax, so Vz has to install a black box (see photo) to allow the Moto STB's to communicate back to Vz for VOD.

Those using Comcast and judging the box... keep in mind that this box isn't running the same software as Comcast, so the interface and features may be very different.

Copper removal: They don't remove any copper from inside your house when Fios is installed, however they may remove the copper from the street to your NID. You have to specifically ask them not to if you want to keep the old copper.

]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
I'm interested in their HDTV service but I have the Moto box the other posts describe, with Comcast. I have the same issues with command lag and the guide. I hope Verizon comes up with something better.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
So why are you still using copper when you have tons of bandwidth and VoIP? My Vonnage service is less than half the cost of Verizon or Comcast.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
So why are you still using copper when you have tons of bandwidth and VoIP? My Vonnage service is less than half the cost of Verizon or Comcast.]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/I have 15/2 service. They disconnected the copper ONT, but did not remove it in any way. In fact, they are required to leave the copper box on the house.

#12
Stop making things up for the sake of complaining...you don't know what you're talking about (I'm in Silver Spring too).

#31
VOIP isn't always cheaper...generally only when you make a lot of long distance calls. I receive a $5 discount from Verizon for having a calling package and FiOS...that makes my calling package cheaper than VOIP would be for me.


#32
Supposedly, Comcast does have the HDMI boxes now, but I haven't been successful in getting one from them yet. However, a coworker of mine just got one for a new install.

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I can confirm they leave the copper alone, they just connect your current wiring to the new ONT, and disconnect the old.

Can someone post prices for HD packages?]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.thefilehoster.com/images/ka326058.pdf
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558602]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
As a consumer they take away all of your choices. It sucks!]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/
Any word on if Motorola (or another) introduces a DVR that can accept a fiber connection, thereby eliminating the need to convert the optical signal to RF-over-coax (which seems to be an unnecessary transaction)?

And any word on if/when Verizon and the cable companies will start using a codec better than MPEG2, sich as MPEG4 or H.264? (MPEG2 streaming at 4 Mbps just seems to be a rather inefficient use of bandwidth when roughly the same quality can be found in a better codec at 1/3 the bandwidth.)

Penny for your thoughts...]]>Dec 19th 2005 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/11/verizon-fios-got-user-reviewed/Dec 19th 2005 1:07AM