http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/ Engadget Comments for Palm Treo 700W review roundup: Mossberg says it "doesn't beat 650" http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/Jan 5th 2006 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


Streaming video from my Media Center via Orb is not possible on other Treos.



End of story.]]>Jan 5th 2006 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


* The 650 doesn't DO one handed navigation for everything. I find myself having to pry open my Innopocket aluminum case to get at the buttons with regularity due to a lackluster email, contact and seek/find system.



* PalmOS 5.x is DATED, OLD, SLOW, LAGGY and UNSTABLE. It requires no small $$$ investment in applets and hacks that correct mistakes and missing essentials. It requires programs to make up for the networking, ringtone, stability and many other functionality aspects that WM5 has.



* Check any Treo forums - witness the pain and suffering of the average user. Instability, slow/lagged/crashprone phone performance, battery life, reception, lack of memory, people begging for patches that fix or improve this or that problem, hoping against hope for an OS upgrade that's never coming (maybe palmSource/Access will be so kind as to kick down a new OS to Palm someday).



Oh yeah, nothing can touch the glorious, wonderous PALM OS, right, Mossberg? I quite doubt the phone/email is 'weaker' on Windows - it certainly hasn't been true of the many PPC/WinCE and Palm/CLIE/Handspring devices I've owned.



Sign THIS long-time PDA user up for the WindowsMobile edition, thanks very much. It sure as hell can't be any worse than what I've been suffering with for the past year.]]>Jan 5th 2006 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


It's a phone and for gps in my rental cars, all I need to bring along extra is my tiny bluetooth gps receiver.]]>Jan 5th 2006 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/Jan 5th 2006 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/Jan 5th 2006 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


Oh, I know: It doesn't do PUSH email! It DOESN'T include the MSFP!



They didn't put AKU2.0 on it!



Unbelievable--or it would be, if we weren't talking about Palm.]]>Jan 5th 2006 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


Lol! That's a good one!]]>Jan 5th 2006 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


I'm keeping my i730 since I like the physically larger screen, but my experience with wm2003 compared to the treo's OS was just like Walt's. One hand use on the palm treo was vastly easier than wm2003. On MS's OS you've got to get the stylus out for EVERYTHING. Editing/adding a contact, an appointment, just about any form anywhere. Treo's palm version was an absolute pleasure in that respect, (and the only product I've seen like it.) I'm not at all surprised that the Treo is limited in that respect with microsoft.



Pete]]>Jan 5th 2006 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


http://tech.nytimes.com/pages/technology/circuits/]]>Jan 5th 2006 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/Jan 5th 2006 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


Fishes,

narco. ]]>Jan 5th 2006 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


The other thing I like about the 650 which the 6700 does not have (not sure if this is a Windows Mobile issue or not) is the when using the keyboard on the 650 and you shift the keys, you get a little round circle indicating the shift mode on the screen. You do not get this on the 6700 and you cannot tell what mode you are shifted in.]]>Jan 5th 2006 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/
But considering that Palm's designers once worshipped at the altar of interface excellence, it's a shame that Microsoft's convoluted software has produced such an awkward marriage with the hardware. Longtime Treo fans, in particular, will be absolutely baffled by the new software layout.

Then again, the 700W wasn't built for longtime Treo fans (who, in any case, can still buy the older 650 model). It was built for corporate buyers, whose top priorities may not include providing the most pleasurable experience possible for the worker bees.

End Quote.

Methinks it's not very good. This review cans it...really.]]>Jan 5th 2006 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/Jan 5th 2006 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


Just salt in the wound.]]>Jan 5th 2006 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


Still though, I am enjoying the EVDO speeds while surfing internet explorer which is the biggest reason for getting the 6700. ]]>Jan 5th 2006 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


If the 650 had EVDO, this would be a harder decision. It may actually take me 6 months to save up for this phone. By then, it will officially be available under Sprint.



Featurewise, this phone does look very nice.]]>Jan 5th 2006 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/
Palm OS is dead, so it's a moot point. Since they won't have another version ready for at least a year, it's betweens Symbian, Linux and MS at this point.



And their aren't any Windows fanboys...'fanboy' refers to a deranged and illogical attachment to something, often in an attempt to appear smarter than majority. Obsessive fans of unpopular and/or dead operating systems are the only ones that qualify for that I'm afraid.



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http://news.vzw.com/news/2006/01/pr2006-01-04b.html



Or the SCH i830 CDMA/GSM Global Pocket PC :

http://news.vzw.com/news/2006/01/pr2006-01-04a.html



Both are feature filled excellent alternatives to the Palm 700W if desired.



Daniel: Santa Monica, CA.

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It is light years beyond WinMob2003, seems about as responsive as my old 650 and fits my needs well. Instead of taking my advice or anyone elses just go to a verizon store and play with it for a while... spend as much time as you need cuz it's a hefty price but I think it's worth it.



Anyway, whatever Treo floats your boat... or other phone for that matter... it's all good!]]>Jan 5th 2006 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


This will be as exciting as the MacOS move from 100% proprietary to Mac OS-X, which todays runs on top of the Mac microkernel and BSD subsystem.



PalmOS-on-Linux will make porting the Palm OS to other platforms, cpus and smartphones.



About the referenced article, believe me, Mr. Mosberg is NOT a PalmOS fan, in fact he has criticized PalmOS repeatedly, until around the release of the Treo 600 / 650, which he really liked.



Treos running Windows will just be another WinMob phone without any other major diferentiating factor. The kind of expensive phones that only worker bees are allowed to carry because their work environment is composed of proprietary Outlook / Exchange.



Regular users, on the other hand, will continue preferring the simplicity of PalmOS and the thousands of inexpensive third party applications available.



H*ck, I can buy a PalmOS Garnet powered smartphone with mp3 playback, megapixel level camera for around $300 greenbacks, and the Treo 700w costs more than double of that amount.



Xplore M98 smartphone (palmOS garnett, 1.3mp camera, mp3 playback). $300

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&fstype=1&fcl=3&catref=C6&sofindtype=0&frpp=50&satitle=m98+phone&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&a25664=-24&a25662=-24&a35=-24&a10244=-24&gcs=1440&pfid=1720&reqtype=1&pfmode=1&alist=a25664%2Ca25662%2Ca35%2Ca10244%2Ca3801&pf_query=m98+phone&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=
PalmOS is alive and kicking. In fact as I write this Access Inc. the new owners of PalmSource continue with their work to port the PalmOS to run on top of a Linux kernel.



This will be as exciting as the MacOS move from 100% proprietary to Mac OS-X, which todays runs on top of the Mac microkernel and BSD subsystem.



PalmOS-on-Linux will make porting the Palm OS to other platforms, cpus and smartphones.



About the referenced article, believe me, Mr. Mosberg is NOT a PalmOS fan, in fact he has criticized PalmOS repeatedly, until around the release of the Treo 600 / 650, which he really liked.



Treos running Windows will just be another WinMob phone without any other major diferentiating factor. The kind of expensive phones that only worker bees are allowed to carry because their work environment is composed of proprietary Outlook / Exchange.



Regular users, on the other hand, will continue preferring the simplicity of PalmOS and the thousands of inexpensive third party applications available.



H*ck, I can buy a PalmOS Garnet powered smartphone with mp3 playback, megapixel level camera for around $300 greenbacks, and the Treo 700w costs more than double of that amount.



Xplore M98 smartphone (palmOS garnett, 1.3mp camera, mp3 playback). $300

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&fstype=1&fcl=3&catref=C6&sofindtype=0&frpp=50&satitle=m98+phone&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&a25664=-24&a25662=-24&a35=-24&a10244=-24&gcs=1440&pfid=1720&reqtype=1&pfmode=1&alist=a25664%2Ca25662%2Ca35%2Ca10244%2Ca3801&pf_query=m98+phone&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=

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--- Treos running Windows will just be another WinMob phone without any other major diferentiating factor. The kind of expensive phones that only worker bees are allowed to carry because their work environment is composed of proprietary Outlook / Exchange.



>>--> How is that different from a Treo 650 being just another palm based phone? But I think the 700 IS different, Palm did an excellent job of integrating the keyboard just as they did in the 650... now as for email, I already have my 700 checking gmail and my work Lotus Notes email, hardly tied to Exchange outlook... although with Exchange you apparently CAN do push email, but that is about the same as the Blackberry which is tied to their software add-ons atop Lotus/MS servers. Chatter is the only push email I've ever seen that was truly open and I was a big user when I had a 650. Apparently the push feature in the 700/Exchange model is hidden SMS derived in some way... I hope someone figures out how to tap into that.







---Regular users, on the other hand, will continue preferring the simplicity of PalmOS and the thousands of inexpensive third party applications available.



>>--> Can't say that WinMob really lags in this department anymore...







---H*ck, I can buy a PalmOS Garnet powered smartphone with mp3 playback, megapixel level camera for around $300 greenbacks, and the Treo 700w costs more than double of that amount.



>>--> I think that price will change once Verizon's exclusive rights end... the 650 cost a fortune on sprint before anyone else was allowed to carry it. I paid $550 for my 650 when it was just released, not too out of line with the 700, anyone who'd spend 550 on a phone won;t balk at 619! Cuz we're crazy tech addicts.

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I've been a Treo 650 owner ever since they came out. Prior to that I had a Tungsten W.



Both were smart cellular phones with PalmOS.



I've been very happy with both of them, considering it is still a relatively new technology.



The thought of losing PalmOS to more Windows Mobile operating systems just makes me ill.



Competition helps the industry mature. By losing PalmOS (if that is the case), will just cause innovation and competition in the mobile arena to slow right down.



I'm an IT professional and have been involved in this industry for the last 20 years (since the Timex Sinclair 1000 and Commodore Vic-20 were released).



I don't care what profit forcasts Palm was making by walking arm in arm with Microsoft -- but it smells fishy to me..



Palm had a great product - they just need help in the R&D area -- and that help should not come from their largest competitor in the mobile device market.

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There you have your essential fanboy comment. Yet you follow it up with 'competition is a good thing' so which is it?



BTW - PalmOS may not be dead forever, but GARNET surely is. Talk about the OS equivalent of well-hammered dogshit! Hacked, tweaked and basically the same core we've been limping along with since the B&W days. The sooner FrankenPalmOS is put out to pasture, the better.



Why? Oh, maybe it's (still) total lack of multitasking, file management, proper memory management, networking and peripheral PnP. Or maybe it's the fact that 5.x has been so badly revised and adjusted, retrofitted with this and that, over the years we've lost any semblance of that old streamlined, crashproof UI we loved waaay back in the late 90's and very early 2000's.



So sure - maybe Linux Palm will be decent - I'm looking forward to it. But 5.x/Garnet is D E A D and should be buried already, because it gave up the 'ghost', the spirit of PalmOS, LONG ago. ]]>Jan 5th 2006 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/Jan 5th 2006 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


I think finding a fair and unprejudice Treo 700W review is about as easy as getting an xbox 360 before Christmas.]]>Jan 5th 2006 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/'>http://reviews.cnet.com/Palm_Treo_700w/4505-6452_7-31473222.html?tag=cnetfd.ld4



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Says Pixelator, who probably spends most of his copious free time stroking his PPC and PSP and whispering "My precioussss . . . "



You're the very definition of a fanboy, dude, no matter how much you pretend otherwise. ]]>Jan 6th 2006 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


http://cgi.ebay.com/Verizon-Palm-Treo-700w-700-w-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ5850968048QQcategoryZ64367QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]]>Jan 6th 2006 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/05/palm-treo-700w-review-roundup-mossberg-says-it-doesnt-beat-65/


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