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As for the "quality" of Apple hardware...give me a break. It is just as cheap, and crapy as pc hardware. They only have 5% of the market, if the hardware (now I am talking about the plactics metals ect that make up the "box" surounding the electronics), and the electronics where so much better in quality then they would face a problem with the "economies of scale". Pc makers have a much greater choice in the various components (thus there is more competion), and the makers of these components can make more of them - thus make less on each part, but make more money in total at the end of the day. If Apples were quality wise so much better they would cost even more than they cost now. I would claim that apples are infact inferior because of the small market share, and the need for apple to maintain a greater profit margin on each machine, than say Dell, or IBM, Toshiba, or any other Wintel machine makers needs to do. And the cost to thes Wintel makers of each part would be less than a comprable Mac part simply because many components used by wintel makers are the same, resulting in huge savings again due to "economies of scale".

I think this is actually the main reason Apple is moving to Intel. Now they can choose from all that great hardware out there that until now was only with x86 Operating Systems.

Maybe now we will see Apples priced like PC's. Cheap! Let's face it, most people really don't care what name you put on the box, they just want to be sure that when they press the power button something will happen.

By the way, I have always hated the plastic apple used for their desktops, and displays...it doesn't take very long when it is exposed to the harsh everyday environment of life for it to start looking so very tacky.
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and dont tell me you want to get a mac cuase the GUI is so shiny, or becuase it comes in a cool tight white box.
make Mac OS move to PCs.

and seriously folks, dont trust anything you dont understand.]]>May 24th 2006 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


It makes me wonder of the intel marrage was conditional on the ability of the chipsets to boot Windows. The volume of Mac users alone is probably not as driveable a developement force on the hardware side for intel. Perhaps the inticement of hardware focused Apple (Windows users who love the look and feel of Apple) fans to expand the Mac market was the dealbreaker in getting intel in bed with Apple.]]>Jan 13th 2006 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


I think it was smart of apple to leave the systems open to XP. Someone would have hacked it within days of the new hardware getting in an uber-nerds hands..why try and stop the inevitable? As long as Apple is still getting their $$$ from the sale, there is no downside to them.]]>Jan 13th 2006 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


Apple puts a lot more work in puttle together reliable hardware then Dell or Gateway or anyone else does.



Anyone who gets a BSOD and blames it solely on microsoft needs to learn a little about hardware drivers.



Apple does everything it can to control the hardware that goes into the computer to ensure stability, and that is why I would put XP on a mac.]]>Jan 13th 2006 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


The point is NOT that one would want to run it as a primary OS, but rather the ability to run it when someone must. One example... web designers. I currently have Virtual PC so I can do some web items where I must see how web pages work under different browsers and platforms. Granted, most won't need Windows, but it is definitely an advantage to some if the machine can boot different OS's.]]>Jan 13th 2006 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


I dont see why people are getting so excited. ]]>Jan 13th 2006 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/
Simply because i'm a software developer and i'm forced to be able to run and develope software for Windows and I don't want to carry two computers around.]]>Jan 13th 2006 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


I'd love to get down to a single machine.



Still, there's no way I'm buying a 1st version macintel. I'll wait till rev 2 or 3 and then snap one up.]]>Jan 13th 2006 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


The only reason those benchmarks have been such an inflammatory issue in the past is because the machines ran entirely different hardware.



Now that the OS is the only difference there really shouldn't be much at all in the way of performance gaps.



AND, as it stands right now you can spec out a PC with much better performance than any macintel, but considering laptops and imacs are the only current macintels, thats not really suprising.



Lets also bear in mind that AMD pushes Intel pretty hard at present, taking the lead in several key performance areas, so its even possible that if Apple took the best of the best from Intel you would still be able to spec out a faster PC.



All this aside, I still think this is going the wrong way.



I don't care about XP on Mac, I want OSX on PC.]]>Jan 13th 2006 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


This should have one empty line between itself and the line above, instead there is a huge gulf of off white that makes it look like I had a siezure when I hit the enter key.]]>Jan 13th 2006 11:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


As for cost its no more than a Lenovo T series notebook and not much more than an r series.



Well if you dont have to buy XP / vista which we dont at work thanks to select licensing :)]]>Jan 13th 2006 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/
According to the "athorities" only Windows Vista supports EFI, XP does not. SO you can dual boot only with Vista. XP will not work until someone works out some sort of boot loader for it.



Jeff ]]>Jan 13th 2006 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/
But why Windows on a Mac? I can easily see folks switching to Windows, firing up whatever game, and then switching back. ]]>Jan 13th 2006 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/
Dual core processors: who will be first to figure out how to run Mac OS X and XP/Longhorn/Vista at the SAME TIME! Now that would be sweetness...]]>Jan 13th 2006 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


Hate to gripe about it in this section, but i haven't seen anybody else bring it up... so...



What is the deal with the main page not taking me back to where i linked out of it when i hit "back". After linking in to a post to read comments, its pretty irriatating to hit back and have to scroll all the way back down the page to where i left from.



And also... is the stars feature for comments really important? In this thread at least, not a single comment or person has earned or lost said stars. Why?



Not trying to gripe, i still check this site as often as i check ESPN or CNN. Just wondering whats up with this stuff, and maybe how i can fix it.]]>Jan 13th 2006 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


Someone said "if you want to run Windows, why not just buy a Dell?" Well, I wouldn't buy a Dell, but I'd be perfectly happy to build my own PC *if I could then run the Mac OS on it*. But I can't. If you want to run the Mac OS you have to buy a Mac... but in a lot of cases, I also *have to* run Windows. Not only for apps that plain and simply aren't available on Mac (and yes, I have a lot of those) but also for apps that I've paid good money for and that I don't really feel a need to pay for again on another platform.



Apple is being smart here because they know that like it or not, a lot of people are in the same boat I am. We'd love to run the Mac OS but we can't abandon Windows... so our only choice to this point has been to buy Windows machines.



Apple's also being smart (though sneaky and annoying) by not licensing their OS, assuming their hardware will now run Windows. Because now, if I want to run both the Mac OS and Windows, my only choice is to buy a Mac. I can't do it the other way (which would probably save me money).



Eventually Apple may end up with a lot more "switchers" out of this, because people who really do prefer the Mac OS won't have to give up Windows cold turkey in order to run it. And as the numbers of people doing dual boots increases, Apple will be able to claim a greater adoption rate and maybe that will get more developers on board (of course, maybe not if they know all those people are dual booting, meaning they're still also running Windows).



I also personally run Linux in a Windows dual boot right now, so given that Macs have historically been able to dual boot into Linux as well, we could potentially end up with one machine to rule them all here - a tri-boot Windows/Mac OS/Linux machine. That'd be freakin' sweet. I don't know what the deal is with Linux and EFI, though.

]]>Jan 13th 2006 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


1. I work in a 90% Windows company, sometimes you just need Windows (Visio, Project, etc...)



2. I bought a Dell mainly to play games and test websites in IE. (Now I could just boot into Windows on my Mac)



3. Vista might not be so bad. It would be interesting to check out Vista and the occasional non-mac app (Skype 2.0, Google Earth before the Mac version came out, etc...)



It could also be good for Apple, If you were mainly a Windows user but interested in OSX - now you only need one machine.]]>Jan 13th 2006 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/ Despite protestations on Apple's part



I don't think this is a correct statement. The only time the subject has been addressed was when Phil Schiller said that they are using standard Intel components and they've done nothing to prevent Windows from being installed if you wanted to so.]]>Jan 13th 2006 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/ Why would I want to run Windows on a MacBook?



Cause Apple hardware is cool, that's it for me. Sorry. I'm not interested in the OS or it's applications.]]>Jan 13th 2006 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


First. Who says apple laptop hardware is amazing and high quality? Apple?! The last generation Titanium PowerBook had insane amounts of problems with the rubbish hard drives they had in them. On my university course last year, out of 25 people, around 10 people had to send their powerbooks back to apple as they had totally died. These were powerbooks purchased all over the world as well as alot of people were foreign students. The generation before the titanium's had massive problems with the rubbish tft screens they put in them, I know of loads of people who had to send them back as the screens started to get little bright patches all over them. Powerbooks aren't expensive because they are using good components, they're just trying to con people with flashy cases. And what's with the 5400rpm hard drives!? Loads of PC laptops have had 7200rpm drives in for ages now! Cheap rubbish.



Secondly, is it just me or doesnt anyone else think its totally out of order for Apple to (although unofficially) allow WinXP to be installed on their machines, but not allow OSX to install on PC's (well at least without hacks). Is it just me who thinks that is totally out of order. I too would love to dual boot OSX and XP, but certainly not on a MAC! This just reeks of anti-competitive business if you ask me, Microsoft have been taken to court (several times) for alot less.]]>Jan 13th 2006 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


We've been seeing Microsoft removing their entire mac product line progressivly: IE, WMP, etc.., would the mac running on an Intel architecture would have anything to do with this??]]>Jan 13th 2006 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Multibooting]]>Jan 13th 2006 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


That guide is outdated. It was for multibooting on the dev kits, which used BIOS, not the actual shipped products which uses EFI.]]>Jan 13th 2006 1:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


I know there are emulators but since OS X is suppose to run on pentium processors, maybe I can partition my HD and choose which one I want to boot into.



Sigh, I can only Dream I suppose.]]>Jan 13th 2006 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


the



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breaks]]>Jan 13th 2006 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


hey pupil, apple only has 5% market share, it would be impossible for them to be gulity of the same level of market influence as ms. they can do whatever they want with the software and hardware that they make. apple's first buisness is hardware.]]>Jan 13th 2006 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/


The reason that MacOSX doesn't crash as much as Windows is because Apple has fine-tuned the OS to work with a specific set of hardware in their machines. Since Apple controls the hardware that goes into their machines, they can make sure everything is compatible with each other.



It's amazing enough that Windows can run on so many different hardware.



If you had MacOSX installed on a PC machine, it'd probably crash. And, I can't see it 100% working on a PC without drivers being made for whatever hardware you have in your machine. You're probably better off using Windows XP.]]>Jan 13th 2006 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/will-xp-boot-on-intel-macs-after-all/Jan 13th 2006 2:31PM