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Ya, thats for shure cuz guess what Vista will be delayed even more, full of bugs, huge security vulnarabelities, and even if i have the beta normal users wont be able to use it till its in stores. Man i love my MSDN account...]]>Jan 25th 2006 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
What #2 is talking about is NOT emulation, which implies instructions are translated from one ISA to another... but VIRTUALIZATION. Think VMWare.

The new Core Duo chips in these new Macs support Vanderpool virtualization technology. This means two OSes coexisting on a level that they haven't been able to do before.

It is not "fanboy" to think that all of this money and effort wasted on trying to dual boot and destroying iMacs in the process is complete wasted effort. In a sense it is wasted effort.

These people should be instead focusing on trying to leverage the virtualization features so you don't have to compromise in running two or three OSes on the same system simultaneously.

What would be better? Booting into Windows, wasting minutes to switch over to Windows to run one app, or to switch instantly to Windows or Linux when you need them without shutting down OS X?

I think the answer is clear. Virtualization is the key technology that people are ignoring... not just dual booting.]]>Jan 25th 2006 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
Oh yea, that's so much better than emulation. Well, other than the fact that IT RUNS SO SLOW I CAN'T EVEN INSTALL WIN98! and my comp's got 2GHz and 1.5GB RAM! It's not that difficult of an operation!]]>Jan 25th 2006 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://sourceforge.net/projects/elilo
This has been thoroughly tested on EFI Itanuim systems already, if I understand things correctly the code from this project will enable you to boot Linux off EFI based systems with little or no extra effort.]]>Jan 25th 2006 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
Keep it up, sport!]]>Jan 25th 2006 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/#6: Virtualization will not take care of the many OS specific libraries and environments (think DirectX) that #2 seems to imply should run natively in OSX in order to make windows apps work there. The virtualization you're talking about is well and good but it's still dual-booting, albeit simultaneous dual-booting.
What #2 is referring to is more like a WINE type environment, which isn't any closer to working on OSX than it is on Linux. Which is to say, crappily.
On top of that, Microsoft has no incentive whatsoever to open up its APIs for a more seamless integration. In fact creating DirectX was in large part an attempt to lock development effort out of the platform agnostic OpenGL standard to begin with, tying game development to the Windows and now Xbox paradigm. They've done similar things with .Net and you can expect more of that from them in the future. Windows IS windows apps. You're not gonna easily separate them.

#2 There is nothing any operating system can't do with "properly written software" because there are no arbitrary OS limits on what applications can accomplish. Some people prefer to run linux because it's far more flexible than OSX and there is more software written with it as a target environment.]]>Jan 25th 2006 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
hey look i colored my mouse white and broke the secondary button! i think i'll call it an imouse.]]>Jan 25th 2006 3:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
pfft]]>Jan 25th 2006 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 7:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
and besides how many of you out there really own/have software for both systems that you need to use?

]]>Jan 25th 2006 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 25th 2006 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
I mean, from both the Windows and the Apple fanboys it sounds to me that it would be the same architechure of a conventional i386 or i686 processor...]]>Jan 25th 2006 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/The loading of initrd.img was completed,
And, it stopped.

Maybe, it is not an easy way.

http://toshi3.cocolog-nifty.com/.shared/image.html?/blog/images/efi_3.jpg]]>Jan 26th 2006 3:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 26th 2006 10:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
Lemme go all real world on yoh asses.

Me: Mac OS X Unix hacker (kindasorta). First person to install BASH on OSX Beta... can't prove it, but there it is. So lemme put it this way: Fink? DarwinPorts? Imbeciles. Suffice it to say, if there's source, I will com(pile).

:)

Aight, but we use RedHat Linux at work. Meaning: our customers use the RedHat Linux systems we sold them. The answer "yeah, but that app works on OSX!" never flies with your RedHat install base.

So, yeah, RedHat booting on the Mac... Great! Necessary for lotsa people like me.

I can develop and test right there on our deployment platform, and practice my Linux admin skills (er... skillz... er... sk1llz), and as soon as I'm sick of Gnome, I jump back to the brushed metal beauty of OS X.

-Pie]]>Jan 26th 2006 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
installing bash on osx is no big thing. It doesnt qualify you as a hacker. bash is simply a shell, along with zsh sh and the many many other choices. its a program that inputs and outputs and provides terminal services to the user.

i'de say some other things, but i'm going to keep my dignity.

- just my two cents]]>Jan 26th 2006 11:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 27th 2006 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/Jan 27th 2006 9:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/25/red-hat-to-bring-linux-to-intel-macs/
Whomever said that VMWare was slow doesn't have a fast enough box and/or has never run Linux on said hardware. VMWare on Linux runs like a scalded dog.]]>Jan 30th 2006 4:53PM