http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/ Engadget Comments for Toronto latest city to get WiFied http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 7:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
Outside of the metro loop, Pathway in particular is selling bonded DSL (single IP, full bandwidth up and down) for 2 to 4 DSL connections (up to 12Mbx3.2Mb) to even the fringe areas at rates that are extremely competitive with Allstream (the other big business player) single link DSL, and much cheaper than Bell T1 connections.
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"Toronto Hydro" is NOT a water utility. Water is the domain of the city. Toronto Hydro is the ELECTRICITY provider for Toronto.

Hydro is the common word Canadians use for electricity. It goes back to the days when all the power in Canada (well, the vast majority anyways) was generated by HYDROelectric power plants.]]>Mar 7th 2006 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
Go Miller go!]]>Mar 7th 2006 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 11:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/March2006/07/c4584.html

- 6sq kilometers coverage
- phase 1 by June
- fully operational end of year
- first 6 months free for all
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Miller and his Deputy Mayors are about to be in a heated election this fall and I (one of the challengers for Council) and the rest have come out stating that the City should be providing low cost (or no cost) wireless coverage as a basic need of the people. If everyone has access, only society will benefit.

Millers actions are only designed to help him politically and we should not expect that he will carry through with it as it should be.

If it was done correctly, (for individuals), by me, Rogers, Bell et al would be ordering a hit on me and the others.

BTW, get out and vote]]>Mar 7th 2006 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
HYDRO = Electricity in Canada
Tim Hortons = Coffee In Canada , eh


ha ha]]>Mar 7th 2006 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
I'm actually excited about this, the cell providers have ridiculous pricing on their wireless internet products so they will have to become competitive to survive. Ted Rogers is sweating, I'm sure Bell and Telus must be as well. Hooray for competition!]]>Mar 7th 2006 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Bend over Ontario, and enjoy your WiFi hotspots.
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This thing is going to be 6 month free? SICKNESSSSS, see u in june]]>Mar 7th 2006 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.viarail.ca/wirelessinternet/en_index.html

pretty cool..]]>Mar 7th 2006 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
It seems a story is e-mailed and posted quickly without being verified; I'm not sure if this is done to be "quick on the gun" or just a mistake; either way this was on /. a day ago, and other places before then.]]>Mar 7th 2006 8:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 7th 2006 10:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
w.e.. its all good for me... super fast internet on the go.... yesssssssssssss]]>Mar 8th 2006 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
Have you ever looked at ebay.ca? It's hilarious.

The technological infastructure in Toronto is appalling, as is the availability of decent consumer electronics. Most peoples home entertainment setups here look like shrines to the mid 80s.]]>Mar 8th 2006 1:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
1. You got all the T.O. folks' panties in a bunch. They don't like it when people show any kind of ignance towards their city. After all, to them, it's like NYC North. (lol).

2. I would LOVE for something like to happen, not only in Toronto, but Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, Calgary, etc etc. Our wireless "system" which was kind of deregulated in the mid 1990s to allow for competition, is all but that these days, with monopolies again in both wireless (cell phones) and broadband access (or cable). Well, duopolies. Give me city wide wifi and I'll ditch Fido (owned by Rogers), and go skype all the way for my local comm. needs, and ditch Shaw for my broadband in a second. I'd even pay the same rates to the city if need be, just to break up these ridiculous monopolies.

PS. Don't anger T.O. people, please. The rest of us Canadians often have to suffer the brunt. ;)]]>Mar 8th 2006 5:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 8th 2006 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 8th 2006 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 8th 2006 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/Mar 8th 2006 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/23. Doesn't anyone find it troubling that Ontario Hydro (Now called Hydro One) who has racked up 1/3 of Ontario's debt (40 of 130 Billion), is now poking their nose into technologies they know nothing about?

23, Toronto Hydro is also a Telecom. They run lit and dark fibre all over the city.

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#34 - NYC North? No f#@%'n way - it's HOLLYWOOD NORTH, despite what those on the Wet Coast think about Vancouver.]]>Mar 12th 2006 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
Toronto Hydro's plan is going to kill other commercial hotspots, but the hotspot model is pretty well dead anyway, or has about 18 months left in it. A new generation of wide area local WiFi networks are springing up all over the place, and caf?won't have to subsidize WiFi for long. Bell, Rogers, and Telus were really slow in building their hotspots, and now they're going to pay the price,because they built the wrong technology and are using the wrong business model. Now, if they had Internet for home users and WiFi everywhere so people could use their home account across town... hey, wait! That's what we're doing!

While the city-owned paid-access WiFi network has its strengths, a free WiFi network built by people in their own neighborhoods can easily do more with less. This sort of N2N (neighbor-to-neighbor) networking is low cost, doesn't need any expensive centralized infrastructure, and can be run by its users for its users. The trick is doing it with proper security and ways for people to work together, rather than hoping that anarchy (in its best sense) will make everything work out by some accident of nature.

As McLuhan said, the medium is the message, and I think organized community-owned networks say a lot. at the beginning), and it's another commercial Internet provider, except they are government-owned and have a monopoly on using power poles.

While the city-owned paid-access WiFi network has its strengths, a free WiFi network built by people in their own neighborhoods has the potential to do more with less. This sort of N2N (neighbor-to-neighbor) networking is low cost, doesn't need any expensive centralized infrastructure, and can be run by its users for its users.

As McLuhan said, the medium is the message, and I think community-owned networks say a lot.]]>Mar 28th 2006 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/toronto-latest-city-to-get-wified/
Really, nobody knows for sure what Toronto Hydro is actually up to. Are they going to compete with public access hotspots like in caf? Or are they going to provide Internet to homes and businesses, using WiFi instead of the phone lines? Either way, there is not going to be free WiFi access (except for the initial six-month beta-testing at the beginning), and it's just another commercial Internet provider, except they are government-owned and have a monopoly on using our city's power poles.

Toronto Hydro's plan is going to kill other commercial hotspots, but the hotspot model is pretty well dead anyway, or has about 18 months left in it. A new generation of wide area local WiFi networks are springing up all over the place, and caf?won't have to subsidize WiFi for long. Bell, Rogers, and Telus were really slow in building their hotspots, and now they're going to pay the price,because they built the wrong technology and are using the wrong business model. Now, if they had Internet for home users and WiFi everywhere so people could use their home account across town... hey, wait! That's what we're doing! (Wireless Nomad Co-op)

While the city-owned paid-access WiFi network has its strengths, a free WiFi network built by people in their own neighborhoods can easily do more with less. This sort of N2N (neighbor-to-neighbor) networking is low cost, doesn't need any expensive centralized infrastructure, and can be run by its users for its users. The trick is doing it with proper security and ways for people to work together, rather than hoping that anarchy (in its best sense) will make everything work out by some accident of nature.

As McLuhan said, the medium is the message, and I think organized community-owned networks say a lot.]]>Mar 28th 2006 1:46PM