http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/ Engadget Comments for Can Intel's $400 Edu-Wise best the OLPC? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 28th 2006 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/You have to assume that with this $400 price tag includes a semi-hefty windows fee. Take that away and the price might be much lower. Besides if your not running windows or Mac operating system, are you really catching up to the rest of the world? The fact of the matter is that with a little more time and a free mainstream operating system, the OLPC could have been done right.]]>Mar 28th 2006 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 28th 2006 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 28th 2006 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
When it gets interesting is when the $199 laptop arrives with Windows Lite, 512 MB, 100 GB disk, and 1024x768 24-bit screen. I'd guess late 2007. It could arrive sooner, if manufacturing and distribution are handled on a cost-only basis for specific target projects.]]>Mar 28th 2006 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 28th 2006 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 28th 2006 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
someone please take away this kid's keyboard... his mom's calling him for supper.]]>Mar 28th 2006 4:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
So what is the difference between this full fledged $400 laptop and those $900 UMPCs?

Price and positioning.

What a load.]]>Mar 28th 2006 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
If you lived in the desert, how the hell would you power your Dell? They sure don't have an optional expansion bay hand crank. Plus, the OLPC design is supposed to be an ad-hoc network so (technically) they would act as repeaters to rebroadcast an available wireless signal for internet access.

Plus, the OS would be simplified so that people who have never SEEN a computer would be less intimidated by it. On top of all that, it doesn't have to run fancy PC-based applications because it's a teaching device not a gamer rig.

So if you were shopping for your 3rd world country, would you buy 1,000,000 fragile $400 laptops which require reliable power, have fickle OSs and phone lines for internet or 4x that many that can be hand cranked, purpose built OSs and ad-hoc wireless networking?

]]>Mar 28th 2006 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
Business and technology "leaders", indeed.


How about food and medicine instead?


]]>Mar 28th 2006 5:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 28th 2006 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
Anyway, it’s probably for the better these kids don't learn Windows or Mac. It wouldn't be long before they started taking our Internet jobs away at $1.00 an hour.
J/K... or am I.
]]>Mar 28th 2006 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
Let's see, $100 per person could potentially save thousands of people who most likely are just trying to survive one more day after years of genocide and corrupt governments.

Or you know, we could give them a computer. Maybe they could use to barter for some wheat or something.

I see bigger problems then the getting computers to these people.

Let's make sure these people can live to see tommorow first, then let's start talking about computers.]]>Mar 28th 2006 6:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
Or ...

If you wanted to buy a car, and you could have one that you had to pedal (like Fred Flintstone) with a 1 square foot windshield, or you and 3 buddies could buy a real car and share it, what would you do?]]>Mar 28th 2006 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 28th 2006 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
Plus, with the mesh network, they can look up how to build windmills, generators, etc, without an existing network. So no one has to go build it first before they can do anything for themselves.

Bruce: If I had to choose between giving a million people a bicycle that goes 5x faster than walking, and 100,000 motorcycles that go 10x faster, I think it's pretty cruel to make 900k lose out entirely so a couple people can go really fast.

What's the difference for you or me between an old PDA and a recent laptop? We can run some fancy games and make the web look prettier. But if you're talking about filling basic usability, there's little difference, so why blow $300 extra on a shiny, less durable wintel box?

For everyone else that says we should buy them food: Ok, so how about next week? Buy them more food? The next week? ... How about give them enough tools to figure out how to take care of crops, how to rotate them, fertalize, what the market price is to buy seed and fertalizer and sell crops. Treat illness?
Sure, we could send over some missionaries to teach them enough to get by a few years, but each of those missionaries costs at least 10 OLPCs to fly around and feed. Then they're gone in a month, the lessons aren't fully remembered, and they don't know how to deal with this illness that didn't show up when the missionaries were there.

Sorry I'm getting all ranty, but I've yet to hear a single criticism or alternative that deals with the main issue - dependance.
--Mobile phones? Who's paying for the towers and service? The power?
--Wintel laptops? Where's the network? The modifiability? The power?
--Food? Where's this constant food supply coming from, and how does it change the situation they're in? The people without food don't have food for a reason, and feeding them for a month or a year gets you roughly jack if you don't do something else. Those charities already exist anyway, this won't take anything from them.]]>Mar 28th 2006 8:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 28th 2006 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
Talk about enjoy the comforts of internet anonymity.

And its comfort, not cold comfort, if you are going to insult someone at least have the common decency to know what the heck you are talking about.

Cold comfort implies something of little or no encouragement or consolation.

Good try though...troll.]]>Mar 29th 2006 1:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
What they need is completely new design - and not only technicaly. They need to put cheap CPU inside, add TFT/LCD/what ever cheapest, add network adaptor, add keyboard and touchpad. No fancy stuff like accumulator, wi-fi, infrared, pcmca, floppy, modem, etc. Definitely no Windows - put instead basic Linux installation with lightweight tools: that way they would save on both RAM and licensing costs. Network only device. And try to sell it for all what it is worth.

If such device would cost more than $100 - then probably Intel already got to start liquidating itself... Otherwise, I'm in no doubt that many customers will jump in: such system would make perfect school terminal, or library terminal, or any kind of public terminal. Or even additional home terminal. It's connected - you can put any kind of client application on it (web browser, e-mail client, database client, etc) and put it in kiosk mode.]]>Mar 29th 2006 3:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Whenever the OLPC subject comes up, there always seems to be a lot of criticism, that stems from a polarised view of developing nations (that polarisation not necessarily showing up in individual posts, but in all the posts taken as a whole).

The first view is that "these people are so poor, that $100 should be spent on something more basic than a laptop, such as food, clean water or healthcare". Fair enough.

The opposing view is "who would buy a junky laptop for $100 that doesn't even run Windows when you can get a Windows laptop for $xxx?". Again, fair enough.

What I feel that people are missing is that:

a) not everyone in developing nations is in as desperate need for sustenance as those people you see in the adverts for human welfare charities. That is an extreme situation (and I'm not attempting to downplay the seriousness of people in that situation). There are many millions of people who are 'poor', but are coping. They're on the bottom rungs of the ladder, and are able to keep themselves healthy and fed. A connection to information services is the next rung on the ladder. It's debateable as to whether ascending this ladder is a desirable thing (check out research into life satisfaction levels of people in 'underdeveloped' countries versus 'developed' ones, for instance), but this is what the OLPC initiative is about. It's the next rung on the ladder.

b) yes, you can get a Windows laptop for 4x/5x/6x the cost. But while that may only be a handful of dollars to us, just another day or two sitting at our desks commenting on Engadget, that is a lot of money to a lot of people. If you're working a few dollars a day, saving up $100 is going to take a while. Saving $400 is out of the question. If you're a charity supplying these machines to developing nations, every cent will count (as you'll be throwing out a lot of these machines, and probably depending on charitable donations as well). And it's questionable why a Windows laptop is so desireable anyway; these are to be educational tools, and you don't need Windows XP (and the grunt required to run it) to read Wikipedia.


In summary (and apologies for the length) there are a lot of people who are NOT in dire need of food/water/healthcare but are also not able to justify what we westerners consider a small amount of money on a computer. They are the in-betweeners, and this is what the OLPC initiative is about. I applaud what they are doing, and I don't think it detracts from the efforts to help those without food/water/healthcare.

While we're on the subject, there's always http://www.thehungersite.com which allows you to 'donate' food at no cost to you. Instead of (or as well as) responding angrily to my post, please pop over there and give someone a cup of rice. Nice one.
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Do you realize what you just said? Did you even comprehend it? If I had the choice between a peddle car and a gas powered car, I'd sure the hell want to consider if I could afford or even FIND gasoline where I lived. That car I'm sharing with 4 friends would sure the hell be useless if we couldn't fuel it. I bet 4 peddle cars would be way more useful.

Thanks for proving the analogy! Not everyone lives near a gas station.

"If you wanted to buy a car, and you could have one that you had to pedal (like Fred Flintstone) with a 1 square foot windshield, or you and 3 buddies could buy a real car and share it, what would you do?"]]>Mar 29th 2006 10:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
400 dollars is way too expensive for the average Brazilian income (unless they are targetting it to the developing countries' wealthy).]]>Mar 29th 2006 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
No. But everyone has the Sun shining on them.

Ever heard of solar panels?]]>Mar 29th 2006 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
secondly. how many of you have parents, grandparents etc who have trouble just surfing, writing email, or fiddling around with office products. I mean for god's sake these people are old but they're not stupid and they live in the US where they see and know about computers. They live in a highly developed country. Yet they still have problems from time to time.

Now based on that you're telling me that people in these other countries who never seen a computer or touched one is going to sit around and know what to do when it MS starts giving the BSOD? Or when a driver conflict shows up and renders their light box non-responsive?

You think MS is going to have a tech support team there trained and ready to answer calls about their $400 pc? NOOOO i don't think so.

Wake up people, this is about making a pc for countries where people neither have the resources or experience with a computer to start learning about it and be able to use it and start getting caught up with some technology at least.

]]>Mar 29th 2006 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/
Contrary to popular belief, software doesn't cost anything to make. It costs in development but it doesn't cost anything to make it (well very little). There is no reason why Bill Gates couldn't give away Windows to these people. 95% of them would never be buying it anyway so Microsoft wouldn't be losing any money except for the small manufacturing costs.]]>Mar 29th 2006 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 29th 2006 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/Mar 29th 2006 3:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/If teachers in this developing/poor nations are trained on usage of the PCs; if service & support are provided by local players/vendors (such as local service providers) and not Microsoft/Intel--perhaps it may work.

Actually to tell "thetruth", I don't think Intel and Microsoft are morons. I supposed morons are those thay made assumptions without reading the full stories (which actually appeared in Intel and Microsoft websites).]]>Apr 2nd 2006 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/NEW GSM PHONES/PDA - UNBEATABLE PRICES WE ARE CERTIFIED WHOLESALERS OF
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]]>Jul 21st 2006 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/ THIS IS ARE FULL DISCREPTION ABOUT THE ORDER ANE PRICE LIST OF THE CURRENT PRODUCT IN STORE
We are sidekick wholesalers.We deals on all brands and models of sidekick 1,2 and sidekick 3 and many more at very cheap prices.We are using this medium to look for buyers of mobile phones.Do kindly reply back if you are interested and as you do you will be glad you do, you can reach us through our email address: deaf_missymary@yahoo.co.uk thank's and God bless.
PRESIDENT:-Missy Mary

Sidekick Prices List
sidekick 111..............$120
Sidekick II .............$100
sidekick 1..............$70

N:B..... WE ARE OFFERING ALL OUR BUYERS THE PREVILEGE TO BUY TWO AND GET ONE FOR FREE.
E_MAIL:deaf_missymary@yahoo.co.uk
and many more available in store and legit buyer needed.
]]>Jul 25th 2006 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/HAO TO BUY THE LAPTOPS?CAN YOU SEND THE A LIST FOR MY EMAIL?
TKS!]]>Aug 6th 2006 11:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/28/can-intels-400-edu-wise-best-the-olpc/ thanks!


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