http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/Apr 2nd 2008 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
B.M.W]]>May 3rd 2006 3:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
I think it was a sarcastic comment. Be-mer is how its supposed to be pronounced. That looks like Bim-er.]]>May 3rd 2006 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/Apr 2nd 2008 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/Apr 2nd 2008 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Plus David Beckham "earns" £170,000 ($313,000) a week so im sure he'll cope!]]>May 3rd 2006 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Devices that attach to the brake pedal are much harder since the steel in a brake is much stronger. Steering wheels are designed to bend in the event of an accident.

FYI.]]>May 3rd 2006 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
And remember when some people compromised the brakes on his Ferrari Maranello?

Man, some people really hate this guy.]]>May 3rd 2006 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/#12, don't see why not. I remember seeing Jeff Goldblume take down an invading alien armada with just a PowerBook5300! Heck, might have even been a PowerBook 190c which would have been damn impressive since it wasn't even a PowerPC!]]>May 3rd 2006 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
@ #13, you see a lot of things in movies that can't happen in real life, like tara reid without a drink in her hand.]]>May 3rd 2006 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
:)

George]]>May 3rd 2006 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Plus, I dig all the unix commands. :-)

On-topic, BMWs use a few common buses that are distributed throughout the car. This means you can control the radio from, say, the rain sensor... anywhere where that bus goes. Luckily, on my car, the bus does not extend to the tail lights... otherwise, this soft plastic would be a good entry point.

Despite its promise, there are a few drawbacks:
- this was originally designed to save wiring. But, instead of a daisy chain, the bus is physically wired as a star network. This adds lots of wire, but makes debugging a short circuit much much easier.
- On the 330i's (E46), the radio signal goes to the car computer (not the engine computer), and that directly controls all the locks and windows. The "unlock" command isn't usually sent over the IBUS, unless they've found a back door. I don't know about the "start engine" signal.

Because 20 minutes is mentioned (and not 3 minutes), I suspect some sort of cryptographic and/or brute force hack is taking place.]]>May 3rd 2006 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Well the ironic thing is that cheaper cars do offer such a system. It's called Sentry Key and it's offered on Daimler Chrysler cars (including Mercedes, Jeep, Chrysler and other makes). Other car makers probably offer a similar system.

The problem is keyless entry systems rely completely on electronics from end to end in the name of convenience. You need a physical key to make things completely secure, because a) the encryption is on the key, not in the car, and b) without the key, there is still no way to even get into the car in the first place (without breaking a window or similarly calling attention to yourself). Then once inside, what the heck do you do?

The system is designed such that it requires a key to run - if you hotwire it, the system shuts down. (This functionality is in the engine itself, so it can't easily be disabled.) So even if you did somehow manage to break the encryption without the key (which you can't, because you don't have the key), you still couldn't start the car without the key.

And you can't copy the key either, because you also need the encryption chip that's on the key to start the car.

With a keyless entry system, once you hack the door, you've basically hacked the car, and you can hack it from the outside. But you can't hack the door if you need a key, and you can't hack the car without the key once you're in it. And you can't start the car without the key. And you can't copy the key.

So basically, the only way to steal a car with this system is a) by stealing the key, b) by loading the car onto a truck and then using it as a big, expensive doorstop, or c) by working at the car dealer that sold the car and making a new key with the same chip (which would be pretty easy to trace). And there's really no way around those situations.

Sentry key combined with lo-jack makes for a car that is basically impossible to steal and trivially easy to find even if you're bitten by one of the above three situations.

I would never buy a car without the requirement of a physical key. A fob alone just doesn't cut it for security. You need a key AND a fob.
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BMW (and others, like Ducati) have the equivalent of the Sentry Key. I'm sure that the keyless start and the Sentry Key use similar basic crypto technology, so both should be hard to hack.

The difference is that keyless start systems use a long-range radio, whereas the other systems use a short-range system that works only when in the ignition. The range on my key is about 1/2 inch.

Therefore, keyless start systems you can hack from a distance (i.e. parked next to, or standing near - you don't appear to be doing anything illegal), but non-keyless-start systems require you to be really close to the ignition switch antenna. Getting this close is dangerous - you have to break in (risky!) and stick around the broken-in car for the required cracking time (even more risky!).

So you're right that keyless entry is less secure, but it's not because they are necessarily cryptographically weaker. It's because the extra radio range buys the thief a whole lot less risk.]]>May 3rd 2006 5:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Inspired imagination is precious rare, but progress starts there! ]]>May 3rd 2006 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/Once in a while and when needed/funny is ok, but they're getting out of hand...]]>May 3rd 2006 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
You have the last laugh as you trawl engadget for things you can only dream of affording...]]>May 3rd 2006 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Your wrong, common word in the UK :)]]>May 3rd 2006 6:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
I don't understand, is Becks the only guy in Europe that is getting his BMW stolen in this manner? Or the only owner worth mentioning? I'd be very curious on wider statistics on this. Also, how do they know this is was the method? Cutting the battery cable and hooking it to a towtruck is common.]]>May 3rd 2006 6:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 7:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 3rd 2006 8:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 4th 2006 3:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 4th 2006 3:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Pump prices 95octane lead-free 7.26 $USD/Gallon (11.89 NOK/Litre)last time I filled.]]>May 4th 2006 3:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 4th 2006 3:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
yes, i live in norway, and even though we are the third most oil producing country in the world, gas price has gone up from about 10 to almost 12NOK per litre, which is apx 1,6 and 1,9$.]]>May 4th 2006 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 4th 2006 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Your one of those people who just likes 'one car company' and your authority is clear from the 'pwns'.

Firstly, Mercedes have been heavily criticised over the quality of their cars in recent years.
AMG engines are extremely powerful, however the engines in a BMW are much more powerful and M division engines are some of the most impressive engines in the car industry.

Just because you have a 5.5 litre engine and a few more horses...doesn’t mean your going to have a better ride and for that case be faster. That’s illustrated by the M5 vs F430.

Also, if Mercedes 'pwn' BMW, why did BMW achieve the higher sales and profits.

So before you make strong assumptions on Mercedes 'pwning' BMW, I would strongly suggest you do some research on cars. No company 'pwns' anyone. Everyone has good cars, including both Mercedes and BMW.

P.S Becks does own an ML55 AMG
]]>May 4th 2006 12:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Back on topic... If it's happened to him twice, there must be many more that have been stolen.]]>May 4th 2006 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/The keyless systems use a better algorithm, something ssh like, key is not something like a password but it is hashed similar to what ssh does, so neither key nor the car knows the password, when they comminicate both ends contribute to authentication. However computer on the car is very limited, so is the computer on the key, thus with a strong computer and right sniffing tools the system is quite vulnerable. Unless they integrate a high entropy random number generator, or increase the computational power drastically, every car is vulnerable.

Well, no lock can stop a thief, what you need is a solid insurance policy, or a more common car. ]]>May 4th 2006 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/
Now the BMW engines are standard engine (not modified). If for example, you compared a Hartge to a ML55, the ML55 would be left standing.

I’m not saying this in a rude way to you, but just saying that its worth noting!!
]]>May 4th 2006 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/May 4th 2006 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/Apr 2nd 2008 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/03/becks-loses-two-bimmers-to-laptop-toting-thieves/In all western countries we hand responsibility for crime prevention/detection to the police. If you have your car stolen in the UK the police have absolutely no interest whatsoever. You have to go the police station and they just give you a crime number to hand to your insurer - thats all, nothing else. Now, your car could be worth as much as Becks (£60,000 or so) but thats all you'll get. Try to rob a bank and it will be surrounded by armed police, even if the sum involved is £1,000 or less. Police will now do absolutely nothing at all about an accepted range of criminal activity AND that list of 'do nothing about it' crimes is growing monthly. We have reached the stage where the police service is just a career in which you can retire early, receive a good salary and benefits whilst employed and screw the general public with totally bogus crime figures.
Wonder why confidence in the police is falling?]]>Apr 4th 2008 4:08AM