http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/ Engadget Comments for How-To: Wiring VoIP to your phone jacks http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/I live in a apartment and have Vonage and my cable company gave me a so called cable packaged deal, which included the digital phone line thing, so i took it.
What I need to set up is 6 out going phone lines, which means I have to get 3 of the vonage box with 2 phone ports each in the back of them and pay for all 6 phone lines. I really dont want 3 more vonage box and may need up to 5 at some point, plus thats a monthly vonage plan per each vonage line,,to much money$$ and to many vonage boxes.

Does anyone have any suggestion on how to accomplish this, in a less expensive way or more creative way.

Oh yeah, some of you are tech guru's,,,,so please speak or type slow for a simple person to understand!!

FYI, I run a outbound telemarketing from my home.]]>Apr 24th 2008 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
I once tried connecting my TA signal to that but it would not work. ]]>Jun 20th 2006 10:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 20th 2006 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
--Bill]]>Jun 20th 2006 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/]]>Jun 20th 2006 11:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 20th 2006 11:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 20th 2006 11:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
When the car was invented no one needed buggy whips any longer. I suppose we should mandate everyone use the horse and carriage instead of the automobile?


]]>Mar 2nd 2008 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Apr 6th 2008 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 20th 2006 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 20th 2006 11:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Edward Whitacre reads engadget?]]>Jun 21st 2006 12:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 12:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Happy with VoIP in Tokyo, Japan!]]>Jun 21st 2006 12:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Also, some internet services require that phone lines be active (like DSL, not sure about fiber optic though) or get a special service, which is not yet available in all areas and costs a good amount to get installed. Many DSL customers obtain a very basic land line and get VoIP for the extra services they need, like unlimited long distance.

And also, not all areas have access to high speed internet yet, which VoIP requires. I know that just two blocks west of me, the people who live there cannot get anything besides dial up, and I am not exactly in a rural area.

And also, VoIP at this time does not work with wireless broadband which is a new thing, and may become quite popular. I can tell you from experience that they don't mix well, as the wireless broadband signal isn't stable enough for VoIP, so calls drop if you even get them period (which was my issue, couldn't get a dial tone at all).

So while phone companies will indeed have to deal with the problems that will arise with VoIP, as far as jobs go, I doubt there will be a loss, just a shift. Many of the large phone companies offer DSL and cell phones also, and I assure you, those will indeed make plenty of jobs, as those are not the most stable things in the world, take it from someone who has had to support both items.

Maybe you should go take a look at the articles that have come out about what jobs indeed likely will no longer exist in 2014. That is something to be a lot more concerned about. Funny how the only thing related to the phones is telephone operators, and that has nothing to do with VoIP. And funny how you aren't concerned about cell phones which already are used in place of a land line by many people, and that number is growing steadily.]]>Jun 21st 2006 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
I dunno, never met the guy.
Smoke_Dawg_187 does though, on a completly different topic. See? right here

Posted at 11:39PM on Jun 20th 2006 by Smoke_Dawg_187 [ ! ]

Cool huh?

/sarcasm
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VOIP is the way to go these days with unlimited calls without worrying about hidden fees...

it's nice to see technology actually working for people these days....]]>Jun 21st 2006 1:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
You see, under the telco access in the left side of the DMARC shown in the photot, sits the lines heading to the CO switch. When you unlock and slide the hinged RJ-11 jack from this it gives them a test jack for the wires "they own" and drops voltage from your 25+ year old wiring. This gives them a convenient way to test then charge you for fixing your old crusty wiring.

By keeping that arm unlocked and undocked, you are disconnected from them and they from you. This makes selling your house (or more aptly moving out of your apartment) a re-connection breeze. Or when you realize that your TiVo or Sat dish won't dial out, you can get that POTS line re-installed again.

Now the rest of you can just plug that ATA, MTA, VTA or whatever acronym your favorite vendor has made up into any wall jack and enjoy your new faux dialtone. These devices will generate 3-5 REN, or Ringer Equivalency Number, so you won't want to put 3 of the old "clapper" ringing phones on your circuit; but the new phones with electronic ringers should never complain.

One minute and one coin's worth of work.]]>Jun 21st 2006 3:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Dec 8th 2006 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
DEB]]>Oct 8th 2008 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Telephone services did relitivly nothing to revolutionize, innovate, or even do much for the consumer heck they even cheap out on a lot of their equipment. LAN-Lines are low-quality and they can't compare to the technologies a cellphone has and the mobility. It costs less where I live to buy a cell-phone then to have a lan-line and that is excluding the bonus features you can add to a lanphone such as caller id, voicemail, and tone dial.

VoIP is a good thing. Phone companies didn't want to upgrade and they didn't want to go with what the people wanted so they are failing. I use Skype as my normal phone and it works fine, and long distance is free. Got a cellphone for on-the-go so its all good.]]>Jun 21st 2006 3:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Sounds like you have or do, work for a communications co?
I do as well. You are correct, that's the easiest way you disable the CO side of the DEMARC.
Since my office/network room is just inside from demarc, I spliced my VOIP into the secondary pair of my house and rewired some jacks to use the VOIP as the primary. So my satellite uses my telco line, and my business(side business) calls come into my VOIP line, but ring on certain phones.

Cloud,
The phrase is LAND-line, because the cable is buried, or travels over LAND, not lan.....




To defend the traditional telcos for a bit. The quality of a LAND-Line is far superior to any wireless or VOIP line. There are simple physics employed that keep LAND lines sounding better until their demise. Starting with bandwidth, all voice grade channels are 64KB, and all of the channel is used to carry high quality voice signals...there is no overhead for signalling or etc, becuase all the signalling is done with the keypad, BEFORE the voice-part of the call starts. However, people don't care so much about quality anymore, just having service. So I am not arguing a point, just stating that a lot of engineering and effort has gone into making the call as clear as possible, but again, now it doesn't matter.
As far as wireless and thier technologies; Yes cellphones are better[all around]becuase they can talk, send messages, surf the web, and entertain you. But the voice quality sucks....granted it's good compared to, say, two cans a cord...but nowhere near the quality of your traditional LAND-line.

I do agree that VOIP is a good thing, it's pushing the market to a more cost effective and mobile delivery of voice grade traffic. In effect also creating more demand for high dollar broadband services...]]>Jun 21st 2006 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Actually It's 8k overhead for burst mode (I don't talk like a metranome), soo... 56k bandwidth...]]>Jun 21st 2006 9:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html]]>Jun 21st 2006 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
VOIP is quickly improving though, if you have the bandwidth and QoS. There are clients and codec's that will do full stereo and "CD quality" audio and you just can't do this on the tradictional land-line phone network. I haven't use one myself, but word is that the difference is kind of like when someone phones into a radio station for an interview vs a satalite hookup for the interview.]]>Jun 21st 2006 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
I disconnected my house wiring from the external network. In my case, there was a small box outside with a sort jumper with RJ11 plugs on each end. I just unplugged it. I then ran a standard phone cord from the adapter to a convenient phone plug. I have about 5 phones connected, but I have the ringer turned off on all but a couple. No problems at all.]]>Jun 21st 2006 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Did I mention this new house rocks :)]]>Jun 21st 2006 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
If you have Time Warner, get the Time Warner digital phone, use it for a month or so, then switch providers to Vonage or whoever. Time Warner DOES this for you as part of the installation. Once you have it done, it's done for ever and you can just plug your phone out on the Vonage/Asterisk box into the house's phone system.]]>Jun 21st 2006 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
and voila, all pre-existing jacks worked.

i deno why all the extra work. maybe it was the way my house was wired, but those who are looking to try this may want to try that. it cost a whopping 50 cents and 10 seconds.]]>Jun 21st 2006 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
may or may not matter, but before anyone says it didn't work, figure i'd mention it. in case it does.

i'm not home to check myself, sorry.]]>Jun 21st 2006 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Further he will tell you that one of the reasons your new service is less expensive is because they do not have to pay any service techs, relying instead on the cheaper labor of handy subscribers and thier alarm dudes. And he is right.]]>Jun 21st 2006 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/The quality of a LAND-Line is far superior to any wireless or VOIP line.

Simply not true. I used to have Qwest and over a few years, my line was down frequenctly, had poor audio quality, static, clicks, echo, and calls were frequently droped. We complained and it went on for literally years. Finally we switched to Vonage and sadly, my VOIP line is much higher quality and more reliable. It really depends.]]>Jun 21st 2006 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Alot less hassle.]]>Jun 21st 2006 7:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Just thought I'd mention it, it is becoming an increasing problem]]>Jun 21st 2006 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Jun 21st 2006 9:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/To have dsl you must have a regular phone line. Comcast is charging 57.00 per month for cable tv service/19.99 for 6 months to suck you in. I see no need to keep comcast when ATT is charging 12.99, phone costs me $15.00 for a basic line (which by the way works when ATTadvantage goes belly up from no power and 19.99 for calladvantage with unlimited long distance plus I can take the ATA box up north in Michigan and it works there also as well as when I visit my brother in Arizona. Wow what a blessing...phone service is crystal clear on both lines (dsl and advantage). Just make sure you buy a phone for your home dsl line that doesnt require power, so that it will work in an emergency. I now can dump verizon wireless (100.00 for 2000 minutes) and buy a prepaid plan. yes yes yes!
yes I have two, no three phone numbers
1-dsl line
2-virtual phone number useable anywhere there is dsl/cable
3-prepaid phone from walmart net10 (356 days to use 1500 minutes for 99.99) no i did not buy a tracphone. This is cheaper than paying 117.00 to Verizon..I hate that I have been paying Verizon over 1200 dollars a year for their service.
OR you can do like my friend, he ported their phone number to Calladvantage and they charge him 44.00 total price for a dedicated line and ATT calladvantage (19.99) but he has no regular phone in his home now, but bought a prepaid cell phone.]]>Oct 1st 2006 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/The writer is really cutter happy, he does too many useless things. In the pic where he shows the red and green screw terminals after lifting the jack the circuit is already disconnected. What more does he want to do cut down the pole. lol]]>Jun 21st 2006 9:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
The broadband connection is via cable modem.]]>Jun 21st 2006 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/
Some devices suck at pushing out voltage to your phone lines. As an example, our device pushes 5 volts in order to ring a telephone. Some phones, mostly Motorola and their rebranded Radio Shack brothers take as much as 9 to 11 volts (their "REN value") in order to ring. I worked with a customer that had 6 Radio Shack phones hooked up this way. His phones would ring twice, then drop the call, and if he picked up the phone, there'd be nobody there until he hung the phone up or pushed flash. We narrowed it down to a single, innocent, corded Radio Shack. Turned the ringer off on it and all of a sudden the phones all rang properly. So be aware that even though all your phone jacks may be "working", you may not be able to use them all at the same time the way you always have.

If you're having call quality issues, don't expect your VoIP company to help you as long as you're connected to the wiring. They are not responsible for your badly wired house. Wiring can cause delayed hang-up (your phone rings as soon as you hang up), echos, "tunnel voice", and worse. Believe it or not, a properly wired phone line is wired in sequence, not in parallel. Every house I've ever checked is wired in parallel, and that's a bad thing.

Some companies may not warranty their product if it's hooked to your phone line. Lightning strike, connected to your phone wires, other electrical and ethernet is working fine? Shouldn't have plugged in that house, pay for your new box. Granted, I've never heard of this happening and I know we'll just replace a smoked/fried box without asking any questions, but I hope everyone realizes that the sticker you're "violating" is there for a reason.]]>Jun 21st 2006 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/20/how-to-wiring-voip-to-your-phone-jacks/Skype's cheaper, and last time I went with Vonage I couldn't figure out that tangled mess in the phone box at all. ]]>Jun 22nd 2006 12:17AM