http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/ Engadget Comments for L.A. drone grounded, disciplinary action possible http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
anyway, instead of a bunch these flying around one day how about the hovering drones from "mgs" or "they live"]]>Jun 22nd 2006 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
Good idea with remote controlled drones but I guess the FAA doesn't see the increased air traffic and potential for these planes to crash and hit people as being good. ]]>Jun 22nd 2006 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
Well, when you put all of this "robot" business that way . . .

:soils self:]]>Jun 22nd 2006 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
If the silly thing was only rated as a model plane, the police would have to follow it everywhere in a patrol car, which probably defeats the purpose. Besides, a low-flying model plane that's owned by the police is just ASKING to be shot at.]]>Jun 22nd 2006 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
Besides, what are they going to do with all those nice shiny, black helicopters.]]>Jun 22nd 2006 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
It's just not fair!

BTW, how close do you have to be to fly one of these things? It'll be pretty obvious to have a cop standing there on the corner, looking up at the "drone", with a r/c control. ]]>Jun 22nd 2006 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
I've got all the black helecopters in my garage. Our robotic overlords told me to put them there.

All cops look the same because THEY are our robotic overlords! That's just the new model w/o the aviator glasses.]]>Jun 22nd 2006 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
Noise? This is where the UAV Shines! You can barely hear it whereas the LASD's helo's make a racket that generates complaints almost every day and for good reason. Those suckers are loud at 3am.

Constantly being watched? You people don't live in LA do you? You can pretty much garuntee that in the valley or city propper you can look up in any direction and find at least 2 video cameras and a law enforcement helicopter nearby. Adding a UAV or even a massive wave of them is a whole lot better and safer then a massive wave of helicopters.

And as for the FAA and model airplane thing, the reason the LASD was suprised was all they did was fly it pretty low to the ground over an empty dirt field for the demonstration. They understand the requirements for operational usage, but on this one, I'm gonna bet the LASD wins the case. ]]>Jun 22nd 2006 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
http://www.house.gov/transportation/aviation/03-29-06/03-29-06memo.html

"Some of the operational requirements for AMA (Acadamy of Model Aeronautics)sanctioned activities include:

-A maximum takeoff weight of a model aircraft, including fuel, is 55 pounds, except for those flown under the AMA Experimental Aircraft Rules;
-Operations shall not take place higher than approximately 400 feet above ground level, when within three (3) miles of an airport without notifying the airport operator;
-Yielding the right-of-way and avoiding flying in the proximity of full-scale aircraft and utilizing a spotter when appropriate;
-Operators of radio control model aircraft shall control the aircraft from the ground and maintain un-enhanced visual contact with the aircraft throughout the entire flight; and
-No model aircraft shall be equipped with devices that would allow for autonomous flight."

Presumably, some of the characteristics of the UAV or the mission as proposed by the LAPD violate some of the guidelines that govern operation of RC aircraft. Probably the "maintain un-enhanced visual contact with the aircraft throughout the entire flight" bit.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f86TlQ84NQ

Just need to keep it lower than the nearby buildings :P]]>Jun 22nd 2006 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
I can't believe he has been voted in again to hold the office...

You know... Baca (as in how you read his name) means "stupid" in Japanese...]]>Jun 22nd 2006 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
This sounds like we are headed to a future where drones like those in the Half Life 2 game hover around the city looking at every persons face; take pictures; and sound alarms when it determines that you are a possible criminal.

Scary.....]]>Jun 22nd 2006 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
the manufactuer http://www.octatron.com/Products/SKS.html

makes no mention of this, and there not answering there phone, I have been waiting from a call back from a faa official in LA for this info john goldflush 310-725-7249

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their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide
new guards for their future security."
http://www.constitution.org/usdeclar.txt]]>Jun 22nd 2006 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
For some areas in LA County, including the smaller cities which contract with the Sheriff for law enforcement services, a UAV would be a big improvement over the constant helicopter flyovers.

However, the weight constraints for this aircraft makes the payload pretty limited; the camera is probably useful for some tactical purposes, but not for anything but the most basic differentiation of people (kids vs. adults, white jacket vs. black jacket), and most likely wouldn't be useful or admissible in court for ID.

No doubt the cameras will get better, though.

I have to say that the photo sure makes it look a lot more like a toy and less like an imposition on civil rights. ]]>Jun 22nd 2006 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/Jun 22nd 2006 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/
Take gun control. Let's not start an argument here about whether guns are good or bad but those who want to outlaw guns would not be successful (in the U.S.) in outright outlawing of guns this year. But every year something is outlawed. No high capacity magazines. Those are used by bad guys. Okay. Next, it's no folding stocks. Okay. Next it's no high power ammo. Five years from now it's no 45 caliber guns, then 38 caliber, etc. Then 20 years later you can only own a single-round hunting rifle with a $500 annual license and a bi-annual credit report.

The point is simply this. To infringe on freedoms you need to do it a little at a time. Under the radar, if you will. ]]>Jun 22nd 2006 8:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/l-a-drone-grounded-disciplinary-action-possible/http://www.RobotUprising.com/










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