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A quad-core Mac Pro is only possible if Apple uses the Woodcrest Xeon, as they should, since the PowerMac series was always Apple's workstation offering.]]>Jul 4th 2006 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
The new MacPro will most likely employ Woodcrest Xeons (Clockspeed tops out at 3.0GHz with 4MB cache).]]>Jul 4th 2006 9:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
Un less they make a smaller tower to be in between the iMac and the Mac Pro, it's been suggested, but I find it unlikely]]>Jul 4th 2006 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 9:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Sep 25th 2006 7:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
I don't know how many years Apple/3rd party people are going to keep up with the "Universal" app. scheme, but if it lasts at least 5 years that should be long enough for most people to care (and for the newest apps to not work well even if they were universal).]]>Jul 4th 2006 10:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
http://www.apple.com/uk/powermac/specs.html]]>Jul 4th 2006 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
A new enclosure would be wonderful, hopefully we can stuff more than 2 HDs in it, though...]]>Jul 4th 2006 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
Personally I think that Apple's design of the current G5 is damned near perfect in its current form - can't wait to see how they improve (or screw up) with a redesign. Now all we need is a decent pro keyboard that takes its design cues from the Pro line as opposed to the white gloss consumer stuff (which I like in that context, but it does an injustice to all that sexy aluminum in the pro space).]]>Jul 4th 2006 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
I hope they confirgure this to be compatible with all the juicey GPU options out their (ahem... SLI ... ehem).]]>Jul 4th 2006 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
Apple will go Conroe for the Powermac replacement. So there won't be a quad for a few months- boo hoo.]]>Jul 4th 2006 1:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
The E6600 with 4mb cache should be at least as fast as the current low end power macs, and a lot cheaper, smaller and cooler.

But what chipset will they run on?]]>Jul 4th 2006 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 4th 2006 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
I really hope that Apple is coordinating the release of this with Adobe's release of a Universal Binary version of Photoshop (presumably CS3), but I am a bit wary!]]>Jul 4th 2006 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 5th 2006 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 5th 2006 12:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/> I really don't like the Mac Pro name, I think they should stick with
> Power Mac even if they no longer have powerPC processors.

Same here. There were PowerBooks long before there was PowerPC, so there's no reason why we can't have a Woodcrest Power Mac. It's got "Mac" in the name, so it should be safe.

MacBook Pro, and now Mac Pro? Excuse me while I wretch on my PowerBook.]]>Jul 5th 2006 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 5th 2006 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 5th 2006 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 5th 2006 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
well, the powermac g3(not the old one with a screen built in that ran os8, the tower that ran os9) was released with that crt screen, the powermac g4 was released with the studio display and the powermac g5 was released with the cinema display, so i cant imagine that the "mac pro" would be released without some sort of amazing display.and considering that the studio display already connects to usb and firewire ports[yes, i know that(for now) the purpose of those connections is ports on the back of the display], there should be an iSight and an infrared sensor on the new display.]]>Jul 5th 2006 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
yes, i know it could also use kentsfield, but i doubt that all "mac pro"s will use quad core processors, and i also doubt that some mac pros would use a different line of processors than others. it will probably be all conroe, all woodcrest or all kentsfeild.]]>Jul 5th 2006 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 5th 2006 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/Jul 5th 2006 9:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
...and what do you think the difference is? A dual core processor is two separate processors on one chip. Are you perhaps thinking of hyperthreading, which pretends to be two processors but isn't?

McPhearsom writes: "This can't be true, is conroe even 64bit?"

I believe all Intel's dual core chips are 64-bit.]]>Jul 5th 2006 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.apple.com/uk/powermac/dualcore.html

"Enter the dual-core PowerPC G5 processor: one silicon chip with two independent 2.5GHz processor cores. Now take two of those chips and you have the Power Mac G5 Quad, for groundbreaking quad-core processing."]]>Jul 5th 2006 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
From the looks of it using Core 2 duo wouldn't actually make the Mac Pro any faster than the current G5 Quads, infact it would be slower since you can only have one dual core CPU.

Apple really should have gone for AMD, they win for performance, Intel chips are just better value for money but since when have Apple's PowerMacs been about value for money? They're meant to be ultimate desktop workstations, not value home computers. Core Duos are designed with laptops and home PCs in mind, they are cool and use little power, which is irrelevant when you're spending thousands on a Mac Pro, unless of course you have multiple CPUs which is not something Core Duo is designed for.

Intel had better release the mother of all chips for the Mac Pro or i'm building my own PC to run MacOS rather than 'upgrade' my G5.

Also, the G5 case isn't actually that big, the Antec P180 on my PC is actually bigger and weighs almost the same but without any handles or as good airflow. If you buy a replacement G5 case it's about the same price although it doesn't support standard PC motherboards since it's all been custom designed.]]>Jul 5th 2006 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
Woodcrest is also 64-bit.

I expect Apple will use FBD RAM (to allow more DIMM sockets) and only Woodcrest supports that, so that means Woodcrest in all towers.

Perhaps there's a chance of an oddball bottom-end configuration like the 1.6GHz G5 towere was. But I don't think Woodcrest costs all that much more than Conroe in the low-end configs anyway, so it isn't a sure thing.

McPhearsom - Core Duo already outperforms AMD X2 clock-for-clock and far outperforms it per Watt. Core 2 Duo widens the lead, extends the clock ranges and then you have Woodcrest on top of that.

I do like AMD, but saying Apple should have taken AMD for the performance makes no sense in this particular timeframe.]]>Jul 5th 2006 10:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
Anyways, I hope this rumor is real. I am going to buy a MacBook really soon. But if a new MacBook Pro comes out, I'll definately buy that instead. I can afford a MacBook Pro but I don't really like the design for some reason. I like MacBook's design more. I hope the new MacBook Pro model will be in glossy white or something.

Btw, when is Leopard coming out? I know its going to be shown on August 7th. I'm sorry everyone, I'm new to Mac. Again, I'm buying a MacBook really soon. Anything think I should wait a while and see if anything new comes out? (notebook only; I don't have room for a desktop). And I also don't truly understand hardware terms and stuff. Anyone know a site where I can learn more than basics? thanks

escobar4life@gmail.com (soon to be Mac user)]]>Jul 6th 2006 8:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
Intel Core chips are NOT 64 bit machines, however, Intel Core 2 will be 64-bit, ALL of them. All processors based on the Intel Core Microarchitecture will be EM64T enabled. EM64T is Intel's implementation of AMD64 technology.

Meaning Conroe, Woodcrest, Merom, Kentsfield... all will be 64 bit. While Conroe won't be able to have multiple processors in the same computer (remember, multiple processors isn't the same as multiple cores), Woodcrest will. Kentsfield will be quad core, so I don't see a "performance hit" on PowerMacs. In fact, I'm a Power PC hater, I see a performance boost ;).

Intel chips right now suck, to be honest, but it is expected that the release of Core 2 will turn things around and make AMD chips actually slower than Core 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_Microarchitecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM64T
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2]]>Jul 9th 2006 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/The new Mac Pros will not be using "Woodcrest" quad-core chips, but rather chips codenamed "Kentsfield", that are similar to Conroe but can function with 4 cores on a single chip.]]>Jun 1st 2008 11:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
I also find the new Apple naming convention to be very tacky-sounding. PowerBook and PowerMac were just better names.]]>Aug 3rd 2006 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/
tool.]]>Aug 7th 2006 3:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/04/apples-mac-pro-redesigned-power-mac-with-core-2-duo-dropping-a/SMP (DP or 4-8 way) is only available from Xeons in Inteldom. For AMD it's the Opteron (2xx, 4xx, 8xx).
If Apple knew of the predicted "Core 2 duo" performance/Mhz and performance/Watt when they decided the switch - They made a wise choice, but a risky one, as Intel might have not delivered as expected or timely...]]>Nov 1st 2006 2:05AM