http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/ Engadget Comments for Apple WiFi vulnerability claims were false http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 7:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Sense of smugness returning. ]]>Aug 18th 2006 8:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 8:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 8:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
One of the first news sites posting the story "Worst Ever: Hijacking a Macbook in 60 Seconds" , link here: http://blog.americasnewstoday.com/2006/08/03/worst-ever-hijacking-a-macbook-in-60-seconds.aspx will tell you all that.

APPLE doesn't build their WiFi drivers, they like any other laptop manufacturers get their WiFi drivers form third party people.

READ the article: http://blog.americasnewstoday.com/2006/08/03/worst-ever-hijacking-a-macbook-in-60-seconds.aspx
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And the picture of Jim Carrey movie I think should reffer to this post.

Apple and ALL other computer manufacturers get their WIFI drivers from third party companies, that is also included in the first artcile. You should take the time to READ the information before SLANDER somebody with lies.]]>Aug 18th 2006 9:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
they CLAIMED that the vulnerability WILL work on APPLE'S wireless drivers. even though they were using a 3rd party card, they claimed that the airport drivers (and ALL wireless drivers, or some nonsense like that) were also vulnerable.

Really. the point (and i thank Engadget for publishing the followup) is that they flat-out LIED about Apple's airport drivers being vulnerable - which is about the only way they'd get attention. - to say that Macbooks are vulnerable IF using a 3rd party card is retarded, considering the fact that ALL macbooks (every single one) comes with APPLE'S NON VULNERABLE cards/drivers by default, and no amount of idiocy would lead any number of people to USE the vulnerable card, thus making the supposed "vulnerability" threat basically nil.

ahem. anyway, thanks for the followup, engadget. screw those attention-seeking liars.]]>Aug 18th 2006 9:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
a) poor

b) stupid

c) a closet Mac user

d) ignorant

e) a,b, and d





Ding Ding Ding, E is the correct answer.]]>Aug 18th 2006 9:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/To think these people actually spent time and effort on this... Did they get paid to do this?

Shit I got a hack for a Macbook, I'm gonna go up to a Mac and reboot it with a install DVD... and change the root password.

There I did it with out any ]]>Aug 18th 2006 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 10:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 18th 2006 11:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/1. A Washington Post blogger posts "Hacking a Macbook" when the hack could've been done on any machine with the proper wireless card.
2. After his journalistic integrity (read: none) was called into question, the blogger posted again, saying that the "hackers" would've used the Airport card but Apple pressed them into not using it. No quotes and no verified sources made it a hard sell.

Now we get to see that Apple wasn't involved in any of this garbage and the "hackers" were full of crap. I could've blasted Windows and how easy it is to hack, but Microsoft called me up and told me not to so as to give them a chance to fix the bugs. Waiting......]]>Aug 18th 2006 11:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 19th 2006 12:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 19th 2006 1:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
It's silly, though, when people try to do this stuff because they think Apple users deserve to be taught a lesson, or something. Honestly, it's just as dumb as someone creating a virus for Windows, because they think that Windows users are ignorant and deserve to be punished for it. The only legitimate reason to research hacks, exploits, etc. is out of a desire to get those problems fixed, so that computers in general are more secure. Otherwise, you're simply a shortsighted, self-righteous computer hacker (or whatever term you want to use) who has deluded him/herself into thinking he/she has a rational sense of right and wrong.]]>Aug 19th 2006 1:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 19th 2006 1:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
The difference Yaya is that breaking into a poor person's house (to use your distasteful analogy) is very very easy, while this follow-up shows that this is NOT the case for a Mac. At least not without been a totally disingenuous dick.]]>Aug 19th 2006 1:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 19th 2006 3:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
Dude, you know NOTHING about systems, hacking or laptops.

There are laptops faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar much more powerfull and expensive than any mac today.

The reason why Hackers don't pay attention to Macs is because they don't care.

Final, dude you can connect to the internet today, thanks to MICROSOFT, and THAT is a fact.

]]>Aug 19th 2006 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 19th 2006 6:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
I was unaware the Microsoft created the internet. Oh wait, they didn't. Maybe it was the TCP/IP protocols? No, does not seem they developed those single handedly either.

Many people and oranizations over many year worked to shape the internet and the applications that enable us to take advantage of it. ]]>Aug 19th 2006 7:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/ Posted at 5:56AM on Aug 19th 2006 by Larry The Cable Guy [ ! ]
>
> The reason why Hackers don't pay attention to Macs is
> because they don't care.
>
> Final, dude you can connect to the internet today, thanks
> to MICROSOFT, and THAT is a fact.

There are several reasons Macs aren't over-run with viruses, spyware, and worms like Windows is. It's partly market-share but mostly that OS X is a fundamentally more secure OS. Now it's not invulnerable and Mac users shouldn't be too smug, but anyone who dismisses OS X's superior security model compared to Windows is delusional.

As far as your assertion that "it's thanks to Microsoft" that we "can connect to the internet today", that's wildly inaccurate. Computers were connecting to the internet well before Microsoft existed and when the world wide web made the Internet mainstream in 1994/1995, Microsoft had almost nothing to do with it.

In fact, Microsoft admitted that when they developed Windows 95, they had "Email" on the list of potential features to include, but they decided it wasn't important and chose to leave it out.]]>Aug 19th 2006 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 19th 2006 8:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Final, dude you can connect to the internet today, >thanks to MICROSOFT, and THAT is a fact.

What planet are you from? Who said that "The internet is a fad, it’s not really relevant to our core business." It wasn't Jobs.

>It's partly market-share but mostly that OS X is a >fundamentally more secure OS.

Bingo, as are pretty much are all the *nixes.]]>Aug 19th 2006 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
I also like how that now the story's been dismissed as untrue, those same anti-Apple people are now saying nobody cares. Well you did.]]>Aug 19th 2006 8:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
I'm not as read-up on Microsoft, so I'd genuinely like to see where Microsoft has made any real contribution to the development of the internet/ web that's led us to where we are today.]]>Aug 19th 2006 8:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
I'm not as read-up on Microsoft, so I'd genuinely like to see where Microsoft has made any real contribution to the development of the internet/ web that's led us to where we are today." by H the Preacherman.

I never said Microsoft invented the internet, you MAC-flipfloppers

Yes, I do know about Sir Tim Berners-Lee, I read news sites as well, not just the technology sites like you.

Check this article about Sir Tim Berners-Lee here:
http://blog.americasnewstoday.com/2006/05/24/sir-timothy-tim-john-bernerslee-is-the-inventor-of-the-world-wide-web-and-director-of-the-world-wide-web-consortium.aspx

He invented the internet but Microsoft made what we all know TODAY about the internet, without microsoft we all be using DOS OS and THAT is a fact.

MAC had been exposed for what it is, just another Linux-like system that with the wish of two guys, took 60 seconds to brake down, THAT is another fact.]]>Aug 19th 2006 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
Nop, your the delusional - Hacker don't care about another Microsoft wanna-be OS.

I rather keep Microsoft and download patches then use a 100% spyware OS like Apple;

Check this out:
Article titled: "Apple's 10.4.7 Update Also Phones Home Like 'ET'"

Article: "Apple's program verifies whether the widgets present in the dashboard is authentic by sending an HTTP GET command to Apple's servers every 8 hours"


Link:
http://blog.americasnewstoday.com/2006/07/07/apples-1047-update-also-phones-home-like-et.aspx

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Quit being a Microsoft Fanboi or I'll cut off your AOL account and you won't be able to watch The Wiggles anymore.

Love,
Mom]]>Aug 19th 2006 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
I asked for some evidence of this, not just another statement from you proclaiming that "Microsoft made what we all know TODAY about the internet" with nothing to back this up. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that MS developed the tag, but I can't remember the source.

"I read news sites as well, not just the technology sites like you." Again, any evidence to back up your claim that I only read technology sites?

All level-headed people know that no OS is invulnerable, and Mac OS X is no exception. Repeatedly backing up your statements with "THAT is a fact" though is not a replacement for actual evidence/ source.]]>Aug 19th 2006 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
That was meant to read as "iframe tag".

If you want to use MS and "100% spyware", then go for it. And for your statement that Mac OS X (not as you say "MAC" as in the actual computers themselves) has been "exposed for what it is", er... you make it sound like such a big deal - have you ever thought about being a journalist on a sensationalist news channel?]]>Aug 19th 2006 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
Watch what happens to the Google/MS wars of this generation. Soon we may have a new set of MS fans claiming that MS innovated the Search engine, and all others are just followers.
]]>Aug 19th 2006 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 19th 2006 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.smallworks.com/archives/00000461.htm]]>Aug 19th 2006 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
"Nop, your the delusional - Hacker don't care about another Microsoft wanna-be OS."

They do hack Linux boxes, or you didn't know that? So what are you stupid or just blind MS Hillbilly?

"I rather keep Microsoft and download patches then use a 100% spyware OS like Apple;

Check this out:
Article titled: "Apple's 10.4.7 Update Also Phones Home Like 'ET'"

Article: "Apple's program verifies whether the widgets present in the dashboard is authentic by sending an HTTP GET command to Apple's servers every 8 hours""

OH that is so precious! Isn't it cute when MS troll try to be serious about security. Ever hear the term "People in glass house shouldn't throw stones".

It means "You shouldn’t complain about others if you are as bad as they are."

Instead of just linking article, tell us what it actually means to you, or are you too stupid to understand what the article really means?

People like you are pathetic, you link to an article but have no f-ing idea what they are talking about but rehash them as some sort of doomsday message. Know what you are talking about before you shoot your mouth off. And you have a pretty piss poor record of it so far in this forum.]]>Aug 19th 2006 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
Al Gore invented the Internet.]]>Aug 19th 2006 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 19th 2006 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
Macs are still overpriced and under powered. And yes they are more secure, but it is security through obscurity rather than some fundamental architectural superiority.

As to BillGs "internet is a fad" remark. OMG!11ONE!!1 someone made a mistake! At least, unlike iDrones, he was man enough to admit he made a mistake, then aimed MSFTs total might in dominating the net. MSFT fucked up, didn't see the net coming and still managed to change course and dominate it. End of story.

Ahhh, I enjoy nothing more than watching the anit-MSFT crowd whine and snivel and then call their lawyers because they're too stupid to beat MSFT at The Game. Can't win? Then sue and whine to the government! If you're lucky you can get that socialist paradise the EU to extort a few billion out of MSFT for you and after they blow most of it on hookers and blow maybe they'll be some left over for you.
]]>Aug 19th 2006 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
I think you'll find it was Larry the Cable Guy (ie like yourself, someone else also with a grudge against so-called iDrones/ Mac users) who said Sir Tim created the internet; not the other way around.

Clueless, indeed.]]>Aug 19th 2006 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
"Macs are still overpriced and under powered. And yes they are more secure, but it is security through obscurity rather than some fundamental architectural superiority. "

Well how are they overpriced and underpowered? What do you base you opinion on? Even die-hard PC users know that this is no longer true. you know who says stupid shit like what you said... Uneducated morons who have hatred against Macs. You are nothing more than a Windows Drone who used argument that has been debunked and disproved. Come up with something original or at least creative.

And as this article have shown, Mac's have superior architecture, you don't think these security experts haven't tried to hack a mac? they have all tried and so far none have come up with something that worked. So all these people who have hacked a Windows too stupid or Windows easier to hack? I think it's the latter.

And using your argument, security by obscurity is still better defense than using a swiss cheese OS called windows. So you're actually stupid to use Windows.

People like you are using the same illogical reasoning that racist use to denigrate something they know nothing about.

If you are going to say something about Macs, know somthing about it. And not spout some bullshit party line "Mac's are under powered and over priced." "Security by obscurity". You retard!]]>Aug 19th 2006 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Obviously they used a Mac because cracking a Windows machine would not get them in the news.
Obviously they were dishonest to a certain extent. No-matter what they initially said the implication was they hacked a Mac, which they didn't.
Obviously Macs are more secure because OS X is a new OS designed to be secure.
Obviously Macs will be more secure for the foreseeable future, for the same reason.
Obviously no-one knows how long Mac will remain 100% secure. But certainly not forever.

Now really, where is the need for any argument? The facts are all obvious.

I use my computer to create stuff. It seems most of you use computers simply to argue about computers. Is it really so fun?

peace
waddo
http://www.waddo.net/]]>Aug 20th 2006 2:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/
True internet inventors?

Bolt, Beranek and Newman.

http://www.answers.com/topic/bolt-beranek-and-newman

First IP router, Developers of TCP, Fathers of the Arpanet, which grew up to be teh interweb we all know and love.

But microsoft had little impact on the web in its early years. I still remember dialing into servers and surfing with lynx. back in the good ol' SLIP days :)
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The whole Mac security conversation. Security by obscurity. Tired and boring explanation for something that is inherantly more complicated. Just because my house isn't in an area with a higher crime rate, doesn't make it less secure. And I certainly wouldn't rely on that to keep my place secure. I use locks and alarm systems, much as you do on a computer. If I know that a system is more secure than another, even though it's not going to be tested heavily, I will still use it on the basis that it may change.

Keep using your supposedly inexpensive, and certainly insecure OS Larry and friends. I will stay in my nice suburb, using my nice not so expensive and certainly more secure Mac, and laugh at your stupidity. And yes, I'm probably much bigger than you as well, so if you wanted to steal my Mac (which I think you secretly do!!!), you better come prepared ;-)]]>Aug 21st 2006 12:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Aug 21st 2006 6:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/18/apple-wifi-vulnerability-claims-were-false/Jul 8th 2007 8:06PM