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We still wait for M$Windows to learn to burn DVDs. That's the "exclusive" functionality M$ "reserved" for Vista. God help them to deliver.]]>Aug 24th 2006 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/
yuck. I want HD, but i dont want all this nonsense of "plugging the analogue hole" shit that's just going to lead to crippled devices and crappy markets.


BOOO crappy content owners.]]>Aug 24th 2006 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Now we have the fact that while windows XP can handle high definition and record it (!!), from non encrypted QAM or Over the Air sources, that if we transfer this SAME content to a silver platter, all of a sudden we need a whole new world of compliance:
HDCP end-to-end AND a 64 bit version of Windows!

This is nuts!! So much for the PC being ANY sort of platform for high definition in the future with this.

HD content will simply be relegated to that High Definition cable company DVR we all rent and secretly loathe.

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This is likely due to licensing, true, but it's also Microsoft conceeding a market to avoid antitrust issues. They could give HD support for free, pushing other vendors out of business and opening up lawsuits, or they can let others have a feature that doesn't really sell the OS.]]>Aug 24th 2006 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/
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Therefore, this is clearly an artificial limitation being imposed by M$. It stinks of Skype's 10-way calling that was confined to dual-core Intel procs for absolutely no reason because Intel gave Skype loads of cash to break their product for everybody but their newest product. That limit was hacked out of the program. I can only hope this happens with Vista.

Bottom line: there are plenty of perfectly HD capable processors out there that are 32-bit. While 64-bit procs might perform better, the 32-bit ones decode HD just fine. I, for one, will not be buying a new processor (or a new monitor, or a new video card) to replace the components that ALREADY ARE PERFECTLY HD CAPABLE in my PC. I cannot believe I am the only consumer to feel this way.

If this asinine limit is not hacked out of Vista, I will never upgrade. Why would anyone willingly break their computer's abilities and force themselves into almost $1000 of upgrades* by buying Vista?


*I estimate the cost of a good HDCP-equipped monitor to be ~$500, a HDMI-ready midrange video card (doesn't really exist yet) to be ~$250, and a new 64-bit proc to run ~$230, for a total of $980. Plus whatever Vista will cost.]]>Aug 24th 2006 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/
64-bit processors have no more security embedded within them than their 32-bit brethren. Therefore, requiring 64-bit processors for this purpose has nothing to do with DRM and everything to do with arbitrary limitation to force consumers to upgrade to a newer product that is unnecessary for the job.]]>Aug 24th 2006 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/
We've all heard that before, but encryption has nothing to do witht the processor. Whether it be a 32-bit or a 64-bit proc does not matter to the "encrypted path" due to the aforementioned lack of additional security in 64-bit implementations.

For HDCP monitors and video cards, your statement is valid. For processors it is not. Make no mistake, this IS an arbitrary limit.]]>Aug 24th 2006 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/
I don't know if I agree. First off, I think it is deliciously ironic that in order to support this ridiculous scheme, they have to "fall on the sword" and claim that 32bit windows has security flaws due to it's ability to run unsigned drivers. Flaws that might extend way beyond the ability for "malware" to subvert DRM. Do you think that they would resort to this just to help sell hardware? I have to belive they would sell more copies of Vista without this 64bit limitation.

I still think this is all about Microsoft getting in bed with the content industry so that they can start monopolizing the TV room.]]>Aug 24th 2006 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/

Only said becuase I read this article.]]>Aug 24th 2006 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/


http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/17/bill-gates-sez-blu-ray-is-very-anti-consumer/]]>Aug 24th 2006 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 24th 2006 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/
Whatchu mean "Pretty soon"? Do you have a job? Are they bigger than the street its on or the town its in?

Then you're already a slave to a giant corporation.]]>Aug 24th 2006 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/
I think a lot of people are under the impression that the Core2 is the first 64-bit processor from intel. That is very much not true. If you've bought a new Intel based PC in the past 2 years, you most likely already have a 64-bit capable system (obviously anyone with an Athlon64 is fine too).

Every Pentium D processor supports EM64T (Intel's version of x86-64, aka AMD64). On top of that, every Pentium4 600 series processor, and every Pentium4 500 series that ends in "1" (if your processor doesn't have a "processor number", you're out of luck).

Check the spec charts here: http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/specs.htm
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium_d/specs.htm

If you have a processor that has a tick in the EM64T column, you're good to go with Vista x64 Edition.]]>Aug 24th 2006 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/
The way I figure it, HDDVD or Blu-Ray palyers aren't going to become mainstream in desktops and laptops for at least another 2-3 years simpley because of their current price and lack of market saturation. But in a few years all systems will support 64bit and alot of people will be upgrading/buying their machines by then anyway. Possibly even a lot of people who just bought new machines this year. And anyone who is buying a new machine right now shouldn't be buying anything less then a 64bit system, otherwise they're just asking for incompatibility in the future.

So I don't really see what the big deal is.

Especially those poeple who are saying "I'll never upgrade" don't kid yourself, of course you will, it's just a matter of time. In few years you're going to want something new to play with and you'll need a new machine anyway, so unless you switch to Mac or Linux... ]]>Aug 24th 2006 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/Aug 25th 2006 2:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/24/vista-will-not-support-blu-ray-or-hd-dvd-playback-out-of-the-box-or-on-most-PCs/http://blogs.technet.com/windowsvista/archive/2006/08/24/450081.aspx

Clarifying Windows Vista Support of Protected HD Content in 32-bit Systems posted Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:09 PM by nwhite

The community is buzzing with reactions to APC Magazine’s article regarding playback of protected High Definition content in 32-bit versions of Windows Vista. However, the information shared was incorrect and the reactions pervading the community are thus (understandably) ill-informed.

The real deal is that no version of Windows Vista will make a determination as to whether any given piece of content should play back or not. The individual ISV providing the playback solutions will choose whether the playback environment, including environments that use 32-bit processors, meet the performance requirements for playback of protected High Definition content.

So what does that mean?

It is up to a particular ISV to determine which environments are suitable for their playback solutions. Not Windows Vista, and not Microsoft. To help ISVs make the playback determination, the OS will expose a list of any unsigned drivers on the system; nevertheless, it remains up to the ISV to determine whether playback will be enabled.

In other words, nothing has changed with respect to Microsoft’s policies or development plans for protected HD playback -- which we addressed at WinHEC this past May -- and nothing has been cut from Windows Vista in this regard.

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