http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Sep 7th 2006 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/ I wish they would make this a Universal Application so I could run it on my G5!

You might have been joking, but that isn't going to be able to run anything which isn't from the PPC version of windows. You're emulating syscall support and GUI with WINE, but not the processor itself.]]>Aug 31st 2006 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
I'll think I'll avoid this for now!]]>Aug 31st 2006 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 8:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
About the only thing Crossover is good for, is those obscure niche apps, from Windows, that have no equivalents, yet, on the other platforms. The problem is that, generally speaking, the more obscure an app is, the less likely that you'll be able to get in running under Crossover/WINE. That has been my experience: I've thrown about 10 niche apps at Crossover, and NONE of them would install/run. Even worse, my many emails to Crossover's developers, about the issues, after having paid for several liscences for their product, went UNANSWERED. Hell, I was so desparate to get one particular app working, for a client, that I offered to visit Crossover's developer's offices, personally, here in Ottawa. Of course, they never responded to that offer.

Suffice to say, I think Crossover is a useless, anarchic piece of shit that no longer serves any useful purpose for 98% of Mac, or even Linux, users. And, yet, it's been marketed/covered as something more than a quaint, hackish curiousity...]]>Aug 31st 2006 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
Not to worry. Someone already tried to run Windows viruses with WINE with limited success. They wrote an article: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222]]>Aug 31st 2006 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Of course, what do I know? Those are just my hypotheses :)]]>Aug 31st 2006 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
Glad to see that they have started to do Mac stuff as well now.]]>Aug 31st 2006 5:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
What I want to know is if Tivo2Go works so a Mac user can transfer .tivo files to the computer for iPod/PSP use. I have a suspicion that anything involving media/DRM will not work in Crossover, but if someone can give it a shot...]]>Aug 31st 2006 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
Ummm.."obscure niche" apps? The PC version of Quickbooks is pretty standard, the Mac version is useless to me becuase we have multiple users that need to access the files and the Mac version does'nt support that, so i have to run a freaking citrix server for my all mac office. Granted though quickbooks does'nt work well in linux crossover but give it time.

This is VERY useful.]]>Aug 31st 2006 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.quickbooks.com/support/index/win2mac/ ) doen't work for you? I haven't looked too hard, but I'd be surprised if there weren't some better solution out there for you than the one you're currently using...

In any case, you've only reinforced my argument: the fact that Crossover doesn't completely support Quickbooks is not a "feature". ;) But, please, everyone: don't take my word for it. Absolutely: try this product and see how you "like" it. I realize that everyone loves to hate a critic, regardless of whether the critic is right, so I invite you to try Crossover for yourself. :)]]>Aug 31st 2006 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Sep 3rd 2006 4:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
"But, please, everyone: don't take my word for it. Absolutely: try this product and see how you "like" it. I realize that everyone loves to hate a critic, regardless of whether the critic is right, so I invite you to try Crossover for yourself."

I invite you to try Crossover Mac for *yourself* before playing the expert. It's a more updated product than the older Linux versions you are purported to have tried and running on a different platform. Me? I've used the alpha versions and am about to try this beta. My experience has been awesome with Crossover Mac.

So blah.]]>Aug 31st 2006 8:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
Though I hope that it proceeds from the BETA pretty soon.]]>Aug 31st 2006 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Aug 31st 2006 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/I have used the alpha of crossover for mac for a month and found it works reasonible but i really dont need any windows apps as there are plenty of good Mac apps out there. It is just really for the odd app that someone may need to run on occasions but a great idea I have not tried any games but imagaine it wont run that great Anyone that wants to run special PC games just run bootcamp and dual boot or buy a console like i did one heck of alot less hassle]]>Aug 31st 2006 11:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
You are full of shit. :) But, as I said, everyone should try it and judge for themselves. Or are you afraid people actually WILL take me up on my offer, and come to agree with my opinion: that Crossover is almost totally unneccessary, and complete shite? :)]]>Sep 1st 2006 12:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/"Whatever man. :) I have used and worked with Crossover EXTENSIVELY, both at home, AND in the ENTERPRISE, since about 8 months after it's inception. I'm no neophyte, and I'm not talking out of my ass."

Yeah, except you admitted you have not tried this product. It doesn't matter how long ago you first used the Linux version of Crossover, it was not the same as this newly developed product. You can CAPITALIZE all you want, we're not impressed. Your experience is all but irrelevant to this, because it's outdated and from from a different platform. And a month outdated in the world of software development is old news.

Go bother someone who cares. Or try this software and actually develop an opinion that matters. I've been using it all night. It's amazing. Sure it doesn't work for everything, and there are glitches. That's the whole idea of a public beta.]]>Sep 1st 2006 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
i'm downloading this thing because it looks great. maybe one day i'll need it.]]>Sep 1st 2006 1:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
Interesting notes:
Copy and Paste between Mac and Windows works
Trackpad scrolling features work in Windows programs
Apps are installed in the user profile (~/Applications), not /Applications
The "bottle" concept may not make sense to mainstream mac users

Its an impressive beta, especially since IE6 is about the only Windows program I need. ]]>Sep 1st 2006 1:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
To be honest, dude, I'm not sure what you're getting so worked-up over. Don't you *want* people to try Crossover? yes? Well then, what are you arguing about? I've already said twice that people should try the software and make-up their own minds. I'm thinking maybe you're one of the devlopers of crossover, and can't handle my uncompromising criticism of your total inability to get your product working decently after all these years. That's just my opinion tho and, as you said, it doesn't count for much. If it did, you wouldn't bother replying. Right? ;p]]>Sep 1st 2006 1:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Sep 1st 2006 1:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/No, I am not an employee of Codeweavers or related to them in any other way, though I'd love to work for company with such an exciting product.

What I believe has caused me to respond with vigor (other than happening to have this product on my plate all evening and reading several forums to see what apps are working/not working) was how on this first day of the public Mac beta, you rip it viciously without having even tried it. You conclude your 5:09 post: "Suffice to say, I think Crossover is a useless, anarchic {sic} piece of shit that no longer serves any useful purpose for 98% of Mac, or even Linux, users. And, yet, it's been marketed/covered as something more than a quaint, hackish curiousity..."

At 7:08, ryan explains a common situation-- the PC version of Quickbooks has more features than the Mac version (and the same is true for Intuit's other popular products, as well as Microsoft's Office Suite). You completely ignored that very important point about feature parity and at 7:30 you ignorantly suggest that it's simply a matter of transferring the data format from Windows to Mac. It's not, and if you were half as experienced as you claim to be, you'd know that.

Then, the juicy capstone is your ridiculous "invitation" for people to try CrossOver Mac. Oh, thank you! How gracious of you! I am sure many who were reticent to accept Codeweavers free public beta invitation now felt able to do so by your self-important statement.

When I pointed out that your experience is with prior versions of CrossOver on a different platform and therefore not relevant, you ignore that completely and repeat the same tired baloney about your irrelevant CrossOver Linux experience.

The next juicy nugget was this: "Or are you afraid people actually WILL take me up on my offer, and come to agree with my opinion: that Crossover is almost totally unneccessary, and complete shite?"
Take you up on your offer? What offer? You have nothing to do with this software package and have nothing to offer until you, yourself, actually try it. People will download and try the software and make up their own mind. But the fact is, the success of WINE and the CrossOver products show that there is demand to run some Windows software on other platforms. You are just plain wrong about that point.

The cracks in your brand of logic show clearly with these statements:
"ToKnee:You seem to care an aweful {sic} lot for someone that keeps responding so pationately. {sic}"
--er, huh?

and then: "That's just my opinion tho and, as you said, it doesn't count for much. If it did, you wouldn't bother replying. Right?"
--What? Does that really make sense in your brain?

I am really sorry you supposedly had such bad luck with older versions of CrossOver on Linux, but that's really not relevant to this article or this product. I have never used Codeweavers' Linux products, but I've used the alphas and now the beta of the Mac product, and I predict it will be very successful. The fact that some have reported today getting Access to work with cx Mac alone means that sales will be hot.

Sleep well. I look forward to some informed opinions from you when you actually try the beta which is the subject of this article.
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this Beta is really quit powerful...!]]>Sep 1st 2006 4:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/(]]>Sep 1st 2006 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
Um, get a life? ,:p]]>Sep 1st 2006 6:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
Um, you too? ]]>Sep 1st 2006 6:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/
It runs pretty much everything I was using parallels for but saves me keeping a 10GB disk image and booting windows whenever I need to use some obscure app or test a site in IE6.

The fact that Half-Life is listed as a supported app is all the more interesting, so this has D3D/OpenGL support?! Great!

I wonder if apple is up to something similar for leopard... could be one of the 'secret features' jobs promised during the sneak preview (when he told us next to nothing about the upcoming release, unless you count the 10 'features' as anything actually interesting!)]]>Sep 1st 2006 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Sep 1st 2006 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Sep 1st 2006 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Sep 2nd 2006 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/31/crossover-mac-beta-released-run-windows-apps-in-os-x/Recently ran into a situation where I needed to run an app that was only available on a PC.
Spent a half hour on Dell's website.
Spent $400 on a scratch & dent machine.
It arrived in the mail a few days later.
Works fine.

How much time would it have taken for me to try all this on crossover or parallels?

Which is more valuable? Your time or your money?

Bottom line:
PCs are cheap and easy to find - if you need to run some obscure PC-only app - get a PC. If you want to run mainstream apps and productivity tools ... well... choose your platform.

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