http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/ Engadget Comments for TiVo fanatics livid over Series3 shipping delays http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 17th 2006 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
I love TiVo, but I hate cable companies. I'm just about ready to dump mine for itunes.]]>Sep 17th 2006 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 17th 2006 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 17th 2006 8:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 17th 2006 8:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 17th 2006 8:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
^^^^^ Are you kidding? The Motorola boxes are complete garbage by comparison. I will absolutely agree with the price advantage though. The Tivo is one expensive piece of equipment.]]>Sep 17th 2006 8:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 17th 2006 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
After talking to one on Saturday and still not being able to confirm anything, I picked up up yesterday and will refuse the shipment from UPS.

Sure $800 is a lot of money, but this device just hit the market. Any person with a marketing background will tell you this device will be in the early adopter category for a while (people willing to pay premium for it).

As far as the device itself, I'm very happy with it so far. I'm currently on a extended basic cable plan with Time Warner and able to record my local OTA HD channels. Once my Fios TV is installed last week, I'll be recording HDTV like a madman.]]>Sep 17th 2006 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Some people are saying that this “Swicthed Digital” stuff is breaking the FCC mandate for cablecard support, but from what I can tell it seems like it’s more of a loophole for the cable companies to get out of supporting it.

This will all be resolved when cablecard 2.0 is locked down, and tivo released a new box that supports it. But everyone who spent 800 bucks for this one will be out of luck.
]]>Sep 17th 2006 9:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/However, given that it will cost me $1000 to get in on this deal, and as others have said, I can get the Comcast dual tuner HD DVR for $15 a month, I'm going to try that for a month or two first. I've been a happy Tivo owner from the first Sony S1, but at $1000 they're stretching my loyalty and what they think their interface is worth. I know the Comcast box will be worse, but the S3 solution won't pay off for at least 5.5 years - more like 10 years if you take into account that you'd have to keep a cable box sub *as well* as two CableCards if you ever want to use On Demand services... There's no way any computer hardware I buy today is going to be relavent in 10 years time..!
CableCard has been hamstrung by cable companies, Tivo has taken too long to get their HD product to market and the S3 will be missing a lot of the features that have become standard in the S2. Doesn't sound like a compelling reason to drop $1000 to me.]]>Sep 17th 2006 9:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
While a few of the boxes apparently did ship on Friday, according to the miniscule number of UPS tracking numbers that have gone out, not one was delivered on Friday, nor Saturday. No VIP order has been delivered yet.
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However, everyone that argues price is spot-on. There is also *no* comparison in terms of what these pieces of equipment cost. TiVo S3 is way way way more expensive than a cable box even considering its advanced feature set.

The bottom line is it comes down to cost/value analysis...and that is a personal decision. If you have enough expendable income than anything can be a value for the money. ]]>Sep 17th 2006 11:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
Because it's NOT just a $17 install and $10/month. To get the DVR, ComCast force you to subscribe to a package of channels that'll set you back approx $50/month (that's before the DVR fees). I don't want all that crap. I'm happy with my basic digital package + HD at considerably less than $50/month.

However, Tivo @ $800? No, thanks. I'll stick with my Series2. ]]>Sep 17th 2006 11:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
So, you can drive your 20-year old, fuel-efficient Toyota Tercel down to McDonald's and buy a plain cheesburger. Take it home so you can save your money with generic potato chips and Kool-Aid. Maybe you can turn off the lights to save a few more pennies while you enjoy your Comcast cable.

Nobody lives off Top Ramen because they like it. Some of us grow up and are willing to spend a little money for better things in life. Tivo is a small expense, but worth it to the loyal fan.

And as for shrinking market share? Share always changes when masses of Yahoos show up buying cheap crap for bottom dollar prices (or low monthly payments). Don't forget that companies love suckering in uneducated consumers with low monthly payments, add-ons, and upsells.

Comcast is making plenty of profit from their added service fees and being able to leverage their customer list. You're stuck for 1-2 years, and most will stay for 5-10 or more. At $15/month that's $180/year, $360/2yrs, $540/3yrs. How old are most cable boxes? 5yrs or older? Is your DVR worth $540-900. That's what most people like you will be paying. Congratulation on your low monthly payment. And your plain cheeseburger.

Penny wise, quarter-pounder foolish, if you ask me.

Y actual MMV.
]]>Sep 18th 2006 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 18th 2006 12:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 18th 2006 12:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 18th 2006 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 18th 2006 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
I don't think it is Comcast's fault that the player freezes up during playback if you try to pause and then unpause to quickly, or stops responding for several moments and then executes every command you've sent in the last few minutes all at once, or may lose recorded shows and WILL lose guide info during a power outage or accidental unplugging. It certainly isn't Comcast's fault that they are significant delays in any command involving pausing, skipping, rewinding and other playback issues, or poor encoding on HD broadcasts and on and on.

The 6412 is servicable, but it sounds like you're very lucky to have not experienced many of its operating problems. Head to a site like avsforum.com and see for yourself how many people find it substandard.]]>Sep 18th 2006 8:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
Well, then you're lucky. Comcast in our area charges $10 for HD, $15 for DVR and if you want either, you'll need to subscribe to the Digital Silver package and get those channels, which is an additional cost. While you MIGHT be able to pick up the HD channels over the analog line, Comcast has begun encrypting even the basic local channels HD feeds, so it won't do you much good.

And quite honestly, anyone who claims that the Moto 6412 boxes are the equivalent of a TiVo obviously hasn't used either that much or that extensively. $800 is an awful lot of money, but that's not really relevant to how crappy the 6412s are...just how much money TiVo thinks it can get from the early adopters.]]>Sep 18th 2006 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/It's not *just* a budgetary decision, but it's a balance between what we pay out vs what service we get. Given the shortcomings of CableCard 1.0, the fact that the S3 will not support CableCard 2.0 (if and when the cable co rolls it out), given that the S3 does not do Tivo to go or room to room transfers, given that if I ever, even once, want to use the PPV or On Demand services I still need a cable box, the balance seems to be heavily against Tivo at the moment. Maybe it will change, but the only thing the S3 has going for it is the interface, which I will miss, but only as much as I miss my OS X interface when I'm at work and have to use a PC. It still gets the job done...]]>Sep 18th 2006 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
They took too long, Time Warner's HD DVR boxes are 'good enough' and there is no way I'd drop $800 on a box, then the monthly charge when for $6.95 a month I get a DVR from TWC and if they come out with a newer nicer one, they'll trade it out for free.]]>Sep 18th 2006 9:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/
Time Warner SUCKS. they are the WORST. I am in southern california BTW. ]]>Sep 19th 2006 12:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/Sep 18th 2006 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/tivo-fanatics-livid-over-series3-shipping-delays/you hurry I think they still have a handful left. There number is
773.348.4217. The store is called Escape and I think they will even
hold them for up to 24 hours.
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