http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 10:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 10:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 6th 2006 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/By the way, have you guys seen the various Zune commercials? Now they're horrible...worse advertisements I've ever seen--the average person won't even know what the Zune is. Do they ever show the actual player? That's one part of the Apple formula they shoulda copied--product-centric commercials. ]]>Nov 5th 2006 10:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 10:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 10:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa//sarcasm

and it doesn't say zune in big letters at the end.
/sarcasm

plus, iPod commercials are normally cool, hip-hop singing/dancing commercials, while the zune commercial is laid-back chilling commercial. ( the picnic one )]]>Nov 6th 2006 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
PS. you're not supposed to know how thick it is... look at the packaging vs. ipod packaging..

tee hee]]>Nov 5th 2006 11:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
...Just thought you should know since I own the Sansa e260.

Now, compare the Sansa e200 to the Zune and Wow, I might as well just get a Pocket PC!]]>Nov 5th 2006 11:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 10th 2006 12:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 5th 2006 11:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
Bigger battery- Because it will eat it faster.

Fm tuner- I bought a large mp3 player so I'd never have to listen to the radio again. I freakin hate the radio.

Wireless- If I want to trade songs with my friends(which ALL have iPods), I'll go to their house and trade unrestricted.

Steven]]>Nov 6th 2006 12:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/]]>Nov 6th 2006 12:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
The battery might be big; however, the life is short.

Why are people trying to justify that the size of the first generation Zune is perfect. The only reason why the first generation iPod was large is due to time, technology, and cost. At our current time, we can create smaller electronics by cutting down a lot cost, so Microsoft had a choice to create a smaller player, but they did not want to increase the price due to its competitor’s price. ]]>Nov 6th 2006 12:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 6th 2006 3:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
Actually, the Zune wheel is not a wheel. It's just a set of buttons disguised as a wheel.]]>Nov 6th 2006 12:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/ smaller electronics means less features which would explain ipods slim look , mediocre video quality and short battery life. Apple always puts style first and functionality second, which is really retarded because this is an electronic gadget, not some leather purse bag you show off to your gay friends. And just so you know, I do not own any those players displayed, although I'm planning on getting myself the creative zvm which beats ipod features by a mile. Sorry fanboy.]]>Nov 6th 2006 2:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
Thin to win - the bulkier something is the less I am willing to shove it in my pocket for a day and carry it around - i already have to carry a wallet and an oversized brick of a cellphone last thing i want is a huge Zune taking up even more space in my pocket.

I like the idea of having wifi, if someone finds a way to throw a linux distro on a Zune and allow me to download music while walking around then i might consider the extra bulk useful, but until then, its extra bulk.

Does anyone know how durable the zune is? i have heard all of these crazy stories from my friends about washing nanos and swimming with them - i myself have dropped an iPod 3g off the top of my car going 50 and had nothing happen except a few minor scratches on the front ( people always complain about scratching but anything that gets launched off a car into asphalt without taking more than 3 scratches has my vote ).

Point is, most people are happy with their iPods and since everyone knows how to use one now its even better and more user friendly, as even my young sister knows how to use one.]]>Nov 6th 2006 12:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 8th 2006 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
FM is UNDERRATED. Sometimes I don't want to spend my time looking for a new playlist or new song or spend money on new tracks when I can hear them for free, completely free-FM also allows me to hear some news programs without having to download xxxxcasts. It sucks if you live in a place with 3 good radio stations.

Unfortunately for the S60 you really do need Windows MCE or 360 to get the most out it.
]]>Nov 6th 2006 1:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
I mean the only 2 things the Zune has over the ipod is Wifi(which is really useless at this point, it really does nothing), and a bigger screen. Woopdy Doo, .5 inchs in a HUGE difference.

Wait til the touchscreen/wirless ipod comes out later this year/early next yet. That will blow the Zune way out of the water.

First off I read a article by a financial anaysyst, and he said the Zune was this years BIGGEST flop, and Steve Jobs said he wasnt at ALL threatened by the Zune.

I dont know why there is so much hype/publicity surrounding the Zune, this is just another "I want to be an ipod" Mp3 players, and I dont see that happenening ANYTIME soon.

]]>Nov 6th 2006 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
I actually prefer bigger players. I have a 20G 2nd gen iPod and a new Sansa, and the Sansa is tiny compared to the iPod, but I like the feel of the iPod more. It seems more solid.]]>Nov 6th 2006 1:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 6th 2006 1:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Portable-Radio-Neck-Strap/dp/B0001NEBWO/
Or even less if you search for a better deal.
But they don't. Guess why ;-)]]>Nov 6th 2006 1:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 6th 2006 2:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
If Apple doesn't, don't be surprised if MS does.]]>Nov 6th 2006 7:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
said " First off I read a article by a financial anaysyst, and he said the Zune was this years BIGGEST flop, and Steve Jobs said he wasnt at ALL threatened by the Zune."

Zune already a flop? It has not been sold yet now its already a flop? Wow! And you got that from an article by a financial analyst? ( its analyst btw, not anaysyst). Steve Jobs said he was not threatened. Of course he wasn't threatened. As CEO of a company like Apple, it is his obligation to do all means necessary to make Apple fanboys like you feel better , and that includes being in denial about the whole thing.

trevor said "I dont know why there is so much hype/publicity surrounding the Zune, this is just another "I want to be an ipod" Mp3 players, and I dont see that happenening ANYTIME soon."

Boy, you sound so threatened there. Smart consumers want choices, it is competition, its just the way it is.

" I mean the only 2 things the Zune has over the ipod is Wifi(which is really useless at this point, it really does nothing)and a bigger screen."


BTW, wifi is not limited only for music transfer but pictures as well. For billions of hardcore digital photographers out there, it is very useful. Try reading the features and specs before you say something dumb.


"The Zune is going to suck. Microsoft is not doing anything special with this. They are trying to hard to acieve something they never will. Ipod is a far better then the Zune and will always be."

LoL. Typical words of a fanboy.


Just so you know, I'm no zune fan.


]]>Nov 6th 2006 1:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
Oh yes, clearly not at all a Zune fan.]]>Nov 6th 2006 8:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
So it's thick? I'm not quite sure why every likes the whole thin, spread out thing. When I put something in my pocket, I want it to have minimal flat surface area touching me. True, thinkness will make it worse, but it's a balancing act. Of course, the best solution would be curves. (Curves are quite underrated, but look at the MyFi, it works so well in the hand, yet its massive.) And, if the weight is spread out more, it feels more comfortable. iPods aren't comfortable in my hands.

I agree that the FM-bashers are jealous. Even if they truly don't like it, they'd be okay with it in the iPod. And the wi-fi, you know that's cool. Most people would use it if they had it.

I like the Zune, and I really hope it succeeds. It's an honest attempto break AWAY from the monotony of the iPod. Tink of that, Microsoft the dark horse and Apple the dominant one. What a scary world.

This all comes from a Linux user. I'm not for Microsoft, but I see no reason to hate them.]]>Nov 6th 2006 1:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
Steven]]>Nov 6th 2006 1:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
and whoever says microsoft owners r greedy bastards is retarded. bill gates kept his money because he knew wat an unstable field he was working in. he knew that software business is a harsh business and any day his business can flop (this was back when he first started btw). so he saved up his money to make sure that even if his company flops, his employees will still get paid for work they have done that year. and if u call that greedy than u simply havent read wat i said. ]]>Nov 6th 2006 1:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 6th 2006 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
First of all, if Apple could fit an fm receiver inside a small remote control, there is no technical reason why they could not integrate it to the iPod.

Second, You make it sound like it's a bad thing to have a slim look. until now, people have always wanted smaller and smaller devices, why would it change with the Zune?

"mediocre video quality": sure, compared to my 80 inches plasma TV, the iPod screen looks mediocre. What do you expect from a 2,5" screen? There is a reason why Apple keep calling it the "iPod with video" and not the "iPod video".

"short battery life"; let's compare by size then, because apparently, that's what's important:
Zune: music 12h, video 3.5h
Zen 60GB: music 14h, video 5h
iPod 80GB: music 20h, video 6,5h
This sure is a short battery life!
(Yes, the iPod 30GB has less autonomy, but we are comparing players that have the closest size)

Finally, "Apple always puts style first and functionality second", right, and Ferrari puts style first and performance second. They're both important, and they're the reason for the iPod's success. A cool looking gadget will just be a 2-weeks fashion trend that if functionality is not developed.

Sorry fanboy]]>Nov 10th 2006 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/"BTW, wifi is not limited only for music transfer but pictures as well. For billions of hardcore digital photographers out there, it is very useful. Try reading the features and specs before you say something dumb."
Why don't you look look at the specs before saying something dumb for a change. No "hardcore" photographer as you would say would ever use the zune for pictures. First off it uses jpeg, which greatly degrades the picture quality. Secondly it automaticly converts all picture to 640 by 480 which is the quality of a webcam. If you don't believe me here are the specs pulled right off zune.net

Pictures
JPEG (.jpg): All resolutions (desktop software will automatically convert to 640x480 at sync time)
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Of course.

"When the original 5GB iPod came out it was the most amazing, cool and inovative product of its time..."

Yeah, you can thank creative for that one.
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/05/creative-officially-sues-apple.php

"Why can't MS with all their resources not develop a truely super machine.... instead of just updating and giveing a toshiba gigabeat a makeover??"

Unlike apple w/c is a sw/hw company, ms is primarily a software company.(Windows/office etc..)They are pretty much the new kid on the block with hardwares, xbox for instance which has been succesful recently. Besides, collaborating with another company is never a bad idea, and if you do your research, i'm sure you'll find out that apple had done the same long ago.For starters, you might wanna ask Steve Jobs why they put Intel chips on macs these days.



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Usually I dismiss conspiracy theories, but even I am starting to think that MS is paying engadgets for this kind of constant promotion.

I mean, is the iPod really shorter and thinner but not smaller?

I think many people are delusional when it comes to this thing.
It's made by MS but doesn't say so anywhere.
It has a wheel like an iPod but it's fake.
It has a lower quality screen.
It has shorter battery life.
It's bulkier.
It's uglier.
It's untested and unseen by consumers.
It's made by a company famous for mediocrity and monopolistic practices.

Now tell me in what way this is different from all the other mp3 players that no one cares about?

waddo]]>Nov 6th 2006 3:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/Nov 6th 2006 4:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/2.I like the look of the "wheel" on the zune. it makes it look like a stand-up speaker.
3. I has the same quality screen as an ipod.
4. its battery life is the same as the 30gb ipod.
5. ofcourse it is untested and unseen by consumers. It hasn't come out yet! that hasn't stop iPodphiles from praising the 6g iPod. ( and it hasn't even been announced yet )
6. Xbox anyone? the original xbox rocked, and the 360 is poised to "win" the console war. ( a stupid term, as is this whole Zune vs iPod war )

why can't we all just get along and have both the Zune and the iPod together, just like we have macs and pcs. ]]>Nov 6th 2006 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/05/zune-stacks-up-in-size-ipods-zen-sansa/
http://news.google.com/news?client=safari&rls=en&q=ipod%20leak&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

and

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&resnum=0&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=apple+patent&scoring=d

Its going to be huge and going to blow every one else out of the market.]]>Nov 6th 2006 1:17PM