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I hope they dont even sell 1,000 never mind a million. Making europe wait, then charging us $140 usd more (after vat) for the same product is nothing less than plain dumb. Its almost as if sony want to fail in europe]]>Jan 24th 2007 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
For example:
Even if PS3 costs exactly $600.00 for Europe, your price because of VAT would be $705.00. Much if not most of the price increase for Europe is VAT. Australia is the one being screwed.

http://www.tiqy.com]]>Jan 25th 2007 2:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/

its like you guys always get shafted...]]>Jan 24th 2007 8:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
*cough*
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- It's 17.5% in the UK (slightly more/less in other EU countries)
- It's included in the sticker price (not added at the checkout)

Businesses don't pay it when buying goods for business use (more accurately - they pay it then get reimbursed by the government later as long as they're VAT registered). It's just a consumer tax.

Some goods & services are lower rated - ISTR electricity is something like 8%, and basic food, childrens' clothes, etc, have 0% VAT.
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That's the simple explanation. Want more detail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAT

I was expecting the PS3 to cost more than this, for a bluray player, this is actually fairly well priced. Lets hope Sony pull out some decent titles before releasing it over here, though. The current lineup - and technical problems - don't leave much to be desired.]]>Jan 24th 2007 9:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 8:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
In NZ its NZ$1300!!!!!!!

Which is USD$900!!!!1111one!

(includes GST of 12.5%)]]>Jan 29th 2007 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
lol... so is the bahamas.]]>Jan 25th 2007 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
"technical problems" ??]]>Jan 25th 2007 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 27th 2007 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
P.S. I'd say, that price is ridiculous - with 20 games at launch. There are few BD sold in Europe (Amazon.de since advent lists 53 titles). With *spring* being the season when many save money for summer vacations - how many would even consider buying it? Summer/spring (exams+vacations) aren't precisely gaming seasons.]]>Jan 25th 2007 3:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
Thank you]]>Jan 24th 2007 9:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 25th 2007 12:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 9:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 9:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
As for Sony inventions, I think it's glory days are behind them. First, Sony didn't invent most of that technology. They simple were the first to commercialize it on a mass scale (e.g. CDs, li-ion battery) or simply copied it (Motion Eye? C'mon, webcams were in existence way before Motion Eye). Second, some of the inventions have been doing downhill. I mean, ATRAC? MagicGate? Maybe some interesting technology, but they're not exactly marketplace successes. More like annoyances really.]]>Jan 24th 2007 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 10:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
Let's see, Sony invented Trinitron technology, the portable cassette player, the compact disc, Blu-ray disc, AIBO, the lithium-ion battery, Super Audio CD, ATRAC, SDDS, the Motion Eye webcam, MagicGate encryption technology, et cetera.

Right, they're so stupid. ]]>Jan 24th 2007 9:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/(And I see they are doing really well with those batteries :P)

I do agree, though, Sony has produced a great number of innovations.
(Just not their current grasp on video game consoles).]]>Jan 24th 2007 9:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
Actually, they did invent the CD, it was co-developed with Philips Electronics. Motion Eye is by no means the first webcam, but it was the first one implemented seamlessly into a computer. Admittedly, ATRAC is anything but successful, but you have to hand it to Sony that the compression ratio is incredible. MagicGate on the other hand has done reasonably well in the market, with Memory Stick being challenged only by SD and CF in general.

Honestly, today, Sony is still developing some of the most cutting-edge technology out there. For instance, co-developing the Cell Broadband Engine architecture with IBM and Toshiba, inventing Blu-ray disc with Philips, SXRD LCoS, and more recently, the 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio OLED displays.]]>Jan 24th 2007 10:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.trendio.com/word.php?wordid=470&language=en and there I can even make some profit]]>Jan 24th 2007 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/(Had to be said...)]]>Jan 24th 2007 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
However, SCEI is by all means not the first company to implement viral marketing. What about Microsoft's I Love Bees campaign? People simply hate what Sony does because it's Sony, not necessarily because what because they're doing is bad.]]>Jan 24th 2007 10:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 25th 2007 2:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 11:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
Back on topic, I wouldn't personally say I dislike Sony - I loved my Minidisk player (this was back before HD/RAM-based MP3 players) and used it whenever I got a chance in college; you could run a decent high-end Minidisk player on a single AA battery for 3 days solid (72 hours) before it ran out of power, which is much more than can be said for current MP3 players!

They also brought us some pretty fantastic televisions, and will no doubt to continue to do so. No, I don't dislike Sony, I dislike Sony's marketing department. They don't have a goddamn clue what they're doing.

As a Nintendo fanatic, I must admit it is fairly painful to say, but give the PS3 a year or so and they'll have an established games library and it will no doubt replicate the success of the PS2. It is expensive, it currently has problems, and it currently has next to no games - the only problem there which I can't see Sony solving anytime soon is the expense aspect.

I won't be getting one myself until they make a slim version, I currently have my slimline PS2 modded into my PC case, a project which was rather fun to accomplish, yet surprisingly messy!

Anyway, long post short - Sony has brought us some cool stuff in the past, and no doubt will in the future. It is their marketing department which deserves your unrelenting, furious hate, not the company in general.

...and no, before we get any smartasses quoting this with 'LOL U R WORK 4 $ONY!!!11', I actually work with the UK military in an IT Administration position. So there.]]>Jan 25th 2007 7:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 24th 2007 10:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/The Xbox 360 is a 30% price premium " "
The Wii is a 33% price premium " "

It happens on ALL the consoles boys...be fair.]]>Jan 24th 2007 10:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
Yeah because he said something GOOD about Sony! That's... like... NOT ALLOWED on the Internet... Is it?? :p

-Pie]]>Jan 24th 2007 11:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
http://pugettown.wordpress.com/2007/01/23/is-there-life-after-microsoft/]]>Jan 24th 2007 11:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 25th 2007 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/

AS for the PS 3 in Euro, Sony are shipping 1 millions units and their goals is 6 millions by march. 425 euros are a good price, sony are losing 200-300 on each console sold. They're charging what they think are a good value for their products.

If you don't like it don't buy it. The number console sold over the holidays season are the PS 2, do you do think make that?
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Yes, they Do hate or Anti Sony...These idiots think apple charging $600 for the iphone are cool and a must have, but $600 for the PS 3 are a sin or an act of evil. ]]>Jan 25th 2007 12:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 25th 2007 1:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
- In the USA prices are WITHOUT sales tax
- In the Euro zone, prices are INCLUSIVE sales tax

Sales tax, as are most taxes, are higher in the EU than in the USA.
I live in Germany, sales tax is 19% !

So 599 euro divide by 119 times 100 = 503 euro without tax.
503 euro = 652 dollar.

Also keep in mind that the exchange rate fluctuates and the price of consoles does not. If the dollar gets more expensive (as in the past) prices here are actually a bit lower than in the usa. At the moment the ps3 is "only" about 8% more expensive than in the usa.

For that 8% extra the EU zone gets 2 year warrenty instead of the USA 90 days.

All in all we get about the same deal for the same money.
Forget about the UK they use pounds and the UK is know to its inhabitants as "RIP OFF country".

Why are the taxes so high in the EU ? Well that's because of "socialism" as in : if you don't have work or are ill/old/dead you still get enough money to live on.]]>Jan 25th 2007 2:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
so basically if i go through and list all of the products made by say...LG, successful or not, it makes them innovative?

ford made great cars 100 years ago, but not anymore. sony made great products 20 years ago, but now their PR department alone has ruined them in the public eye, along with the decline in quality products being released. proprietary and different does NOT equal innovative. ]]>Jan 25th 2007 2:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 25th 2007 3:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/Jan 25th 2007 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/
I'm pretty pissed off about it. That beer could have been for me.]]>Jan 25th 2007 4:08AM