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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA["Now, we're not going to pretend to be experts in NAND fabrication, but we fail to see how 56-nm technology produces a higher density than Sammy's 50-nm processes."<br><br>A larger (56nm) production method can be offset by packaging - different methods of chip stacking, interconnects, etc.  Obviously, the 50nm tech can still have a higher theoretical density, but only if you can package it correctly.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[zencarver]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 9:29AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[OK, so call me naive, but what's with the nomenclature of Gb vs. GB?  Those parentheses threw me off there guys...<br><br>And no, the 2G vs. 1GB discussion (how long did that go on?) with the second-gen iPod shuffle did not throw me.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[wish]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 9:38AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[1 bit = 8 bytes <br>8Gb (notice little b)/8 = 1 GB (Large B, most common usage measure).<br>Amount of bytes in 1MB = 1024<br><br>Ever buy a 80 GB HD and get it home only to see ~72 GB available? It's because of this offset.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt B]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 9:45AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[I think you mean 1 byte = 8 bits.  <br><br>Also, the hard drive difference has nothing to do with the difference between a bit and a byte, but with the difference between a 2^10 gigabyte and a 10^3 gigabyte (often noted as GiB to prevent confusion, but not by hard drive manufacturers who want to confuse you).  ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Clark]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 10:06AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[I think you mean 1 byte = 8 bits.  No worries though.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 10:05AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[There's plenty of logic circuits inside that chip. It's not just space for data...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[kev]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 9:54AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[Oh yeah.<br>Bring on the lower priced/higher capacity flash-based hard disk replacements!]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[strider_mt2k]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 10:02AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[I think he was saying the offset is because a mega byte is actually 1024 and not 1000. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Andrews]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 7:17PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[Whoops, now I've screwed up.  A GiB is a gibibyte (2^30 bytes or 1024 MiB); GB is a gigabyte (10^9 bytes or 1000 MB).  Extremely frequently, however, GB is used when GiB is more correct.  Therefore, the hard drive manufacturers are right in giving 80 GB hard drives, it is Windows (and Linux and Mac, IIRC) that is responsible for displaying the size as 72 GB (it really is 72 GiB).  ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Clark]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 3:02PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[Oops.. Sorry for the mixup. It's early and the coffee   has not kicked in yet. :)]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt B]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 10:20AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA["16Gb (2GB) NAND on the way in Q2"<br><br>Hmm, just in time for the iPhone?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Silver]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 10:50AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[Just a guess but the 56nm might be considered denser because it has more memory for its size compared to the samsung 50nm.  But samsung might be faster and that is why it isn't as small.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[flaco148]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 8:34PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA["Now, we're not going to pretend to be experts in NAND fabrication, but we fail to see how 56-nm technology produces a higher density than Sammy's 50-nm processes."<br><br>Actually, the bigger issue is that transistors and vias do not behave well at these small sizes. So, the actual logic gate densities are affected more by how the technology gets around the issues and manages errors and all. So, a smaller process size could actually have less density (of gates/logic) due to more complex surrounding techniques. It usually takes 12 to 18 months to improve density with new process.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[PaulK]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 12:35PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Toshiba-SanDisk claim title to highest-density 16Gb NAND flash]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/toshiba-sandisk-claim-title-to-highest-density-16gb-nand-flash/</guid><description><![CDATA[@ flaco148<br><br>Dude, you got it completely wrong. <br><br>The 50nm would not only be faster but have more memory per square nanometer because you are able to squeeze more transistor into a given space. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[ConceptVBS]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 24th 2007 9:21PM</pubDate></item></channel></rss>
