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I have Windows XP SP2. I want to install Vista so it will delete everything and leave me with the fast-running, uncluttered PC I bought last year. Will or will not the Upgrade edition do this?]]>Dec 13th 2008 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
"Vista upgrade needs old OS already installed"

Well... DUH! That's why it's Vista UPGRADE. If you have the normal version of Vista you can do a clean install]]>Jan 29th 2007 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
MS's new windows slogan should be: What would you lke DRM'd today?
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Software upgrades are more about upgrading licenses to new versions than about upgrading software, which in actuality, tends to be wholly replaced or at the very least, partially overwritten. Upgrades almost always contain the full current version of whatever it is that is being upgraded and that is true of Windows itself. Thus, whether a particular version of Windows Vista is called an upgrade has nothing to do with what is already installed on any particular system except insofar as Microsoft's installer requires it to be there, possibly for piracy prevention purposes.

Historically, Windows upgrades have allowed clean installations, requiring proof of ownership of a previous version, but not actual installation. Thus, if a new version has a different requirement, that change--and the inconvenience it may cause during subsequent installations (e.g. after replacing a hard drive)--are both valid, important news.

It seems then that the only "DUH" appropriately applied here should be to you and anyone who positively voted for your post.]]>Jan 29th 2007 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
what is with the current trend of treating legit customers like criminals? the pirates aren't going to use an upgrade version anyway, they'll just crack the full version.



*(Pound Me In The Ass)]]>Jan 29th 2007 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
• Windows Vista Home Premium
• Windows Vista Home Basic
• Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit edition
• Windows Vista Home Basic 64-bit edition
• Windows Vista Starter

If you're going for Windows Vista Ultimate, or Windows Vista Business, it appears that these restrictions do not apply. As I'm going to be upgrading my primary PC to Vista Ultimate and then, only later, upgrading my Media Center PC and wife's laptop to Windows Vista Home Premium (likely 32 bit edition), I should never run into this issue.]]>Jan 29th 2007 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/I received a free copy of Vista Business. The more I read about this fucking OS the more I'm thinking of putting the damn thing on e-bay. Worthless piece of shit it is.]]>Jan 29th 2007 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
Well you can't install it as an upgrade in Parallels because I have tried it and it does not work, and I am supposing VMWare is the same. Nowhere is this stated by Microsoft. If someone can find it please show me. Thanks Microsoft for making it more difficult/impossible for people that have acually purchased your software. I am using both XP and OS X and Ubuntu but think I will not ever go to Vista. When XP gets long in the tooth I will us Mac OS and Ubuntu Linux Only.]]>Jan 29th 2007 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/

:P]]>Jan 29th 2007 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
Your Vista installation has just bitten the dust. It's a complete failure; it won't boot at all. You need to completely reinstall Vista. So now, with this new restriction, you must first install Win XP/2K prior to installing Vista. Talk about pouring salt on a wound.

That aside, clean installs just always, historically, seem to run a bit nicer than in-place upgrades.]]>Jan 29th 2007 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
but on the other hand if you are a regular joe and buy the "upgrade" version of vista and something happens then sucks for you. I wonder what microsoft says for different scenarios.

-Like you said if your installation failed. Will you need to install your old OS or will it beable to recover knowing that it was already verified.

But most people will buy the retail or oem version. So it looks like a non-issue for most people.
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xp has to be installed and activated because dipshits like you will use an xp disk for which you do not have a license]]>Jan 29th 2007 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
Oh well.]]>Jan 30th 2007 1:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 30th 2007 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 7:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 2:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/

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I think this is another case of IHS (internet hysteria syndrome). People are so amped up about wanting to hate Vista they just aren't able to properly interpret or understand anything about it.]]>Jan 29th 2007 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
Face it, most people never upgraded, they get a new OS when they get a new PC. I won't go to vista unless it comes on a computer I buy or some absolute must have software is Vista Only and I doubt that will happen for at least a couple of years. ]]>Jan 29th 2007 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
The home users who purchase the upgrade don't plan on reinstalling the operating system in the future and actually want to upgrade rather than do a clean install.

The geeks who do like to reinstall are (should be) smart enough to buy the cheaper OEM editions. When I saw the headline it did make me forget for a second that I was planning on buying the OEM not the upgrade.]]>Jan 29th 2007 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 30th 2007 12:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
Apple iMac 24"
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
500GB Serial ATA Drive
NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB SDRAM
For how much? $2,748.00


Building a new one from newegg.com
ECS NFORCE 570 Mobo
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
500GB Serial ATA Drive
BFG Tech GeForce 7600GT 256MB
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner w/ LightScribe
APEVIA X-Navigator Case w/ 500W Power Supply
Acer AL2423Wdr 24" Widescreen LCD
Grand Total: $1,990.92

So your going to spend an extra $757.08 for the Apple logo and everything built into the screen? Gimme a break, gimme a break, break me off a piece of that Kit Kat bar!]]>Jan 29th 2007 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Feb 4th 2007 10:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
Not to mention you aren't including HD cables, an iSight-quality camera, a microphone, a keyboard, a mouse, or an operating system (OEM or otherwise).

Forgive the pun, but compare apples to apples or STFU.

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Guess I'm staying with XP for now. ]]>Jan 29th 2007 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
Try this on for size...

Yours:
ECS NFORCE 570 Mobo
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
500GB Serial ATA Drive
BFG Tech GeForce 7600GT 256MB
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner w/ LightScribe
APEVIA X-Navigator Case w/ 500W Power Supply
Acer AL2423Wdr 24" Widescreen LCD
Vista Home Premium OEM ($239)
Grand Total: $2229.92

Mine:
Mac Pro
Dual 2ghz Dual Core Xeons (Woodcrest)
2GB 667 DDR2 ECC SDRAM (4x512)
500gig SATA HD
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB
16x DVD±R DVD Burner
MacOS X Panther
iLife 06
Acer 22" Widescreen LCD ($300)
Total: $2998

Is it almost $800 more? Yes.

Does it have more processing power? Yes.

Can it run MacOS AND Windows? Yes.

Do you have to live in fear of blue screens, spyware, viruses, and erratic performance? Nope.

Add all that up and the Mac Pro is a better deal, IMHO. If you go with retail Vista or Ultimate, the price gap shrinks even further. ]]>Jan 29th 2007 10:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/
Copying all the files to the hard drive, adding a bootsector with Nero, and reburning the first CD took about 15 minutes. We now have a full set of install discs that don't require any previous OS to be installed.

Maybe the home editions have more protection than that, but I think that everybody may be making a big deal over a small issue here.]]>Jan 29th 2007 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-needs-old-os-already-installed/Jan 29th 2007 11:40PM