http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/ Engadget Comments for GM prepping Chevy Sequel fuel cell vehicle for 2010 http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
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2008 baby!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_FCX#Year_2007_model_.28first_production_model.29]]>Feb 12th 2007 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 12th 2007 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
BTW, I know hybrid's are a bit off the topic, but since Josh mentioned it...]]>Feb 12th 2007 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 12th 2007 3:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
An electric car can have up to 95% fuel efficiency from production to consumption.
A fuel cell car will top at about 40%.

Furthermore, all fuel cell cars will do is continue the legacy of control by the Oil companies.]]>May 23rd 2009 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 12th 2007 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 12th 2007 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 12th 2007 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 12th 2007 3:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
I live in Chicago and there are E85 pumps all over the place. And I see cars on the road that have the "flex fuel" logo on them. Not that I think Ethanol is a great choice-- from what I understand it takes more energy to make it the gas in the first place than what is saved by suing it. But in Chicago (and Illinois) there are e85 stations everywhere.]]>Feb 12th 2007 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/]]>Feb 12th 2007 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 13th 2007 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 12th 2007 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
"But in Chicago (and Illinois) there are e85 stations everywhere."

...because the city of Chicago, and the Illinois state legislature are MASSIVELY subsidizing them to court the farm vote. Ethanol is an expensive joke, it is nothing more than a transparent welfare program for corn farmers, ADM, Cargill, et al, it is worse than worthless, it actually COSTS us billions of dollars, probably more dollars per gallon than military intervention on behalf of the oil companies does. ]]>Feb 12th 2007 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 12th 2007 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
My folks live in the west Chicago 'burbs, and it's definitely a progressive area. I don't doubt the large number of E85 stations there. I would really be curious to see how many folks really run it. It's often cheaper by the gallon than 87 octane gasoline, but since you get less power from a gallon of E85 than you do from a gallon of gasoline, you actually get less MPG and have to fill up more often. I wonder how many folks really trade the convenience for the greater good, and how many just feel better about themselves for having the "Flex Fuel" logo on their Surburban.]]>Feb 12th 2007 6:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Feb 26th 2007 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
5 January 1998
GM Promises 'Production Ready' Fuel Cell Vehicle by 2004

WASHINGTON, Jan. 5 -- General Motors said today it will meet
the technical competition in fuel cell vehicles]]>Feb 13th 2007 10:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
The electric motors on GM's vehicles is already 15-20% more efficient than the best internal combustion engines. Also, since there is a fuel cell continuously generating power, those motors don't need to be as frugal with power consumption, giving them the potential to drive the first electric cars with real "oomph".

GM hasn't just been using fuel cells for automotive applications; they've set up systems as proving grounds to provide everything from emergency power for disaster relief to trailers powering an entire chemical plant. Nobody can touch GM when it comes to fuel-cell technology, and the other auto makers will regret choosing to cash in with their half-measure hybrids.]]>Feb 13th 2007 1:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/Sorry but you do know they use fossil fuels to produce the hydrogen.

Sorry but when you do conversion from Energy, to electic ( electrolysis) to produce hydrogen, to then have it convert to water to produce electricity.... its a WASTE!

Why not just stick with ELECTRIICTY!

And as for the Lithion Ion battery, I think GM is doing more then just that. I predict they will be using A123's phosphate lithium batteries. God I hope so, as thats a major leap in battery technology.]]>Apr 17th 2007 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
The only reason to extract hydrogen from fossil fuels (which, by the way,is a MUCH cleaner process than BURNING them in an engine) is to appease Big Oil, so that they can continue to supply us with fuel and not lose money.

If they were smart, though, they'd get into hydrogen production using the methods I mentioned above, while there's still a void to be filled, so that they can continue to operate once they run out of oil.]]>Apr 17th 2007 7:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
Step 1: Fuel Cells are 40% efficient on a good day. Plus, you need to get hydrogen. This is either done by BURNING FOSSIL FUELS or by electrolysis using electricity that, in this nuclear paranoid country, comes from BURNING FOSSIL FUELS.

Step 2: Then you need to store the hydrogen, generally by cooling and massive compression into tanks. This requires tons of energy -- see Step 1.

Step 3: Then you need to transport it. You can't pipe it like regular fuel, so you have to truck it. This requires trucks that generally burn FOSSIL FUELS. Oh, and each truck of hydrogen generally only has enough fuel for 1/10 of the number of cars as it would if it was carrying gasoline.


This is all ridiculous.

FUEL CELLS == TEH SUCK!]]>Feb 13th 2007 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/12/gm-prepping-chevy-sequel-fuel-cell-vehicle-for-2010/
A vehicle with an adequate number of gun ports.]]>Feb 13th 2007 1:06PM