http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/ Engadget Comments for Hackers discover HD DVD and Blu-ray "processing key" -- all HD titles now exposed http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/The cat is out of the bag now! Stop the presses!
If anything, this will make digital download movies more ubiquous.
Let's keep our fingers crossed that Fairplay and Windows DRM will get cracked real soon (for movies)

]]>Feb 13th 2007 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/ahah
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Lets be fair though, DVD John CRACKED dvds, he broke the algorithm used to decrypt them.
Here they have only revealed a flaw in the implementation, they have not cracked AACS. All they did was show how shitty some well paid programmers really are. Funny stuff.

Can this key be revoked or are they totally screwed?]]>Feb 13th 2007 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Think about what the actions of a few will do to the masses. Say goodbye to new full length movies.

So long blu-ray...see you later HD DVD.
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I say good riddance! Let the true artists make the mainstream movies from now on. You will see once people get accustomed to the higher standards, they will actually pay $10 to see a movie, and gladly buy the disc.]]>Feb 13th 2007 8:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Because millions of dollars guarantee a good movie.
Wait, no.]]>Feb 13th 2007 8:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
I thought that was the public saying that we don't want him to make anymore movies.]]>Feb 13th 2007 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Anyone who wants to can download DVD Decrypter or a multitude of other software to copy DVD's and guess what? Million dollar movies are still being made and actors and studio execs are making millions.

If they are smart they should sell non-DRM'd HD and Blu-Ray DVDS. Most people will still rent them and buy them from Wal-Mart and Target. Now you'll be able to backup/copy (read; use) your DVD's anyway you see fit.]]>Feb 13th 2007 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
This could give HD-DVD the edge, making it the more attractive option for people. So this could end up giving HD-DVD the "next-gen format war" win, ironically.

This news has me considering going with HD-DVD. Before this, I had no interest at all in the next-gen formats at all.

You can't have encryption if you share the decryption with everyone. As soon as you place your content into the public domain, even for sale you lose almost all expectation of control. ]]>Feb 13th 2007 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 9:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Basically what was discovered was what appears to be a universal disk key. I could be completely wrong on the details that follow but the concept should be straight. All of the disks that have been pressed so far used a shared seed (the first on a list apparently) to create the disk keys, resulting in the universal key being possible.

They cannot revoke this key.
But they can change the seed used in future disk creation to prevent this key from decrypting the disks.
The reason this is significant is that you no longer need to find specific keys for disks, you can just use this key... for now.

The key was found in the memory or one of the software hd-dvd players, just like the disk keys were, so really what will probably come to pass is that in about 2 months (or however long it takes to react) new disks will hit the market that this key doesn't work with, at the same time they will force out software updates for the software hd-dvd and blu-ray players that encrypt the keys and keep them out of main memory. At this point in time we'll be at ground zero... well ground 300 (or whatever) since all previously released disks will still be decrypt-able.

There is a great writeup in how he found it if you aren't into technical details.
Great work arnezami.]]>Feb 13th 2007 8:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 8:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
this is soooooooo excellent.

about key revoking - that 'll be part two of this comedy, if they even bother. I imagine a red alarm going off, keys being revoked, people being radioed in, etc.. and when all the dust is settled and new keys are in use, arnezami will watch that same spot in memory again - that will be a whole lot easier this time around - and post it online.

the **AA should listen to Steve Jobs, DRM doesn't work.]]>Feb 13th 2007 9:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Even Sony's own player lacks an RJ45 jack.]]>Feb 13th 2007 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
...if a new Blu-Ray movie costs $60, let's say, then as much as $10 could probably be shaved off the price if they didn't invest so heavily in DRM systems that restrict consumer rights and fail to stop the real pirates. I say down with DRM.]]>Feb 13th 2007 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
I only have a question: how long it's gonna take to release Blue-Ray/HD-DVD Decrypter?

They'll be out a few weeks ago. Poke around at doom9.org]]>Feb 13th 2007 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Size does not matter that much. Once you strip out the movie previews, foreign language tracks, etc... you will be able to get it to fit.]]>Feb 13th 2007 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Makes no difference.

DRM exists to do a particular thing, namely to prevent copying. *How* you stop it from doing that is semantic. The point is AACS is no longer doing its job. AACS itself, as a DRM scheme, was cracked. The code may not have been; the DRM scheme was.

The big failing of DRM in general is that there are so many ways to defeat it, and *none* of them can be rendered moot or impossible if you actually want the media to be playable on the consumer end. *All* of these methods are inherently possible and always will be. This is one possible way of breaking DRM. It probably won't be the only way AACS is cracked, but it's the first. The fact that it was done on the front end rather than the back end doesn't take away anything from the result.

And this key can never be revoked, as some others have suggested. Key revocation is a feature of these new players but it can never really be put into practice, lest a costly and nightmarish consumer backlash develop - something neither the HD-DVD nor BD camp needs right now. A new key can be used for future discs, but these discs will remain cracked forever - and I don't see how a new volume key is going to remain secret for longer than about five seconds either. It's going to be kind of pointless to even bother updating those keys now that people know how to discover them.
]]>Feb 13th 2007 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Or the other way round?

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:-)]]>Feb 13th 2007 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Cheers to the Hacker for breaking the supposedly ultra tough, super secure, key revoking DRM from hell.

Jeers to the industry that built the most hideously consumer unfriendly DRM yet. Forcing all kinds of crap on digital displays HDCP in order to even see the movie. All this inconvenience and hardware incompatibility for what??? For nothing. Once again the pirates aren't slowed at all, it just inconveniences legit users to the extreme.

What next? A retinal scan with internet verification of everyone in the room before the movie will play? When will this madness stop? Eventually you will drive users to piracy just to get some compatibility and ease of use.

]]>Feb 13th 2007 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/"At this point in time we'll be at ground zero... well ground 300 (or whatever) since all previously released disks will still be decrypt-able."

Though I agree with most of your arguments, I think the idiom you're looking for is "square one," not "ground zero." Ground zero would imply more of a final ending than merely a digression back to the drawing board. (And to extrapolate from your attempted play on words, we'd be at "square 301" given that we've not lost progess already made.) ;-]


myk @ Feb 13th 2007 10:06AM:
"what it does show is just how pointless DRM is - pirates will always be able to figure out ways around it, consumers will always be disadvantaged (to some extent) by it."

Pointles...to those who break it. Yet, quite useful to those who use it. As has been stated, piracy shows little statistical impact on sales (and therefore, on revenue), which I believe is mostly due to the fact that piracy is, at this point, a little too advanced/time consuming for the average consumer. The vast majority of those who purchase movies legally have no interest in doing anything other than just that- purchasing the movie.

Everyone has a right to go to whatever extreme they deem necessary to protect their property. I know that if I was a movie producer wanting to earn money from a film, I would take whatever measure's necessary to ensure maximum profit. I would acknowledge the pirate community as a necesary and unavoidable margin of loss, yes, but my focus would be on making sure that the average consumer didn't ever consider piracy as an easy alternative to paying full price.


They're never going to stop trying to protect their products. Suggesting that they should shows that you don't understand their side of the business. If all digital media types were unencrypted and unprotected- as easy to duplicate as a VHS tape- that would almost instantly lead to inverting the current ratio of pirates and average consumers, which would definitely impact the bottom line for everyone trying to profit from making and distributing movies.

If you want free movies, then crack them and be the 1337 pirate you love to be, but isn't it a little naive to go around saying, "Hey, I'm a pirate- stop fighting and just leave the bounty on the dock for me so I don't have to put any effort into taking it from you, OK?"

Just my $0.02 on the matter :-]]]>Feb 13th 2007 11:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
If you purchase a DVD and wish to watch it on your PC or the TV in the bedroom or that laptop or ipod or cell phone, why shouldn't you just be able to do that quickly and easily? Why do you have to watch a lower res version because while the TV or laptop could handle the high res, they don't meet the DRM HW specs so they are toned down.

Why should you have to manually record the movie to watch it on your iPOD or phone - which they are also attempting to prevent you from doing.

The sheer size of the high-def movies themselves is a limiting factor currently for most, but I've seen this with VHS, CDs, DVDs, and now HD DVDs and each time Hollywood fears they will lose money yet each time they realize a sales increase while the black market in other countries continues to stay in business.

Put all the DRM you want to on something - but let me play and watch my digital entertainment on whatever device I wish to with my legally purchased items.]]>Feb 13th 2007 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Movie theaters lose money on movie tickets, but use it to get profit out of condiments. Fast food loses money on food but gets their profits from drinks.

Companies need to revisit their approach to marketing their products. If people are not paying cash for the movies, what can entice them to?

Napster was great in that people could instantly sample music that was recent. I was more exposed to different songs and artists, which made me buy complete albums at the end. Nowadays shopping at online media sources has become easier, but with the necessity to commit to a product with limited knowledge, which makes the experience heavy.

Smart business is contrary to having your way with the iron fist- I feel it is better to observe the current conditions and direct its flow to your interests rather than superimposing your fantasy on reality forcefully.]]>Feb 14th 2007 6:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
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If you hate people zealously guarding their IP so, maybe you should consider putting this under a creative commons license?]]>Feb 13th 2007 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/]]>Feb 13th 2007 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Now as for the HD-DVD / Blu-Ray dilemma....

It will be cracked? There will be torrents of HD movies till the end of time. Bandwidth will only increase and compression will only get better. People will be able to trade ultra-cheap optical storage devices full of pre-loaded media libraries forever! For $69.00 you can get a 250GB drive. You can store a zillion DVDS or a bunch of HD-DVDs on that sucker and share it with whomever.

Who wants to invest $1000s into an HD media collection when you can load your HTPC with your friends movies in an unlocked format.

In time we will see that just as the mainstream adopted Napster, it will adopt these practices. There is no stopping it.


HEEHEHE HAH HA WHO WHO HAH HA HEHE HOHOHO HAHA!!!]]>Feb 13th 2007 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/Feb 13th 2007 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
Then they pass the cost on to the consumers. Legit consumers who actually buy their DRM'd media would shoulder the cost but don't get fair use rights (backup their own copy should the frail physical media get damaged, or watch the content on another device - as if the consumer bought the physical media rather than the content). Illegit users basically incur the same cost (blank media, burner, software, time and effort) but the money does not go to the content producers. In the end both legit and illegit consumers enjoyed the content, both practically incurred the same cost, and the content companies made the same small amount of money (from the very few legit consumers who bought their stuff).

Imagine if content producers didn't have to spend on DRM. They could sell their stuff cheaply. Let's say they sell a high def movie on a disc for $5. Ordinary consumers would rather buy it legit than illegally download it, buy blank media, buy a media burner, buy media burning software (assuming they already have an up-to-date PC and a fast internet connection), spend hours downloading and burning it, deal with the hassles of slow and/or unssuccessful downloads and unsuccessful burns producing coasters, and still end with the same cost, if not more.

$5 too cheap? We'll if 5 (or more) people buy this movie (because it's cheap), then the movie studios would have gotten the same $25 when they we're selling the DRM'd content that only a few consumers would buy. Economies of scale work in favor for these content producers that they can outdo the bootleg producers. Money goes to the content producers who can pay the artists their fair share and no DRM tangles affecting legit consumers.

I hope the companies would have learned by now that hackers and bootlegs will always exist. Making life difficult to legit consumers by imposing DRM on them is not the solution. In fact, it plays a major role in pushing legit consumers over to the "dark side".

]]>Feb 13th 2007 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
I don't think that most people who want to buy a movie do it because they have no interest in pirating the movie. Lots of average people can figure out how to copy a DVD movie by going to a place like Doom9 and following the guides there, or else just ask a friend who already knows how. I guarantee that most people who actually buy the movies do it because they want a real collection, like any other collection of items for sale. It's a status thing. If you have racks and racks of DVDs with the shiny covers and nice packaging, it's like check out my awesome collection of DVDs. Now, if you have racks and racks of DVD-Rs marked up with a Sharpee it is considerably less impressive from a capitalistic standpoint.

I definitely agree that people have a right to do whatever they think they have to do to protect their property. Otherwise, car alarms would be illegal. Although a lot of people do want to use the content they buy for their own purposes without having to break the DRM, a lot of other people want to have it for free. That's just a product of human nature. I doubt most people on here can honestly say that they do or would not protect their own property.

@ Zach

I don't really think Jobs is the king of DRM. Apple is implementing a business model that he suggests (and is not lying) is forced upon him by the other companies involved in the process. I don't think Jobs really cares THAT much about DRM, otherwise Apple software would be hard to pirate (and for those of you who don't know ie Windows die-hard, it's not). You can't rip a DVD into iTunes because Apple doesn't own the movie company that made your DVD (then again, if they did, they might implement DRM, but that's neither here nor there for now). So really, your arguments are terribly misguided due to your unabashed hatred for Steve Jobs and Apple. ]]>Feb 13th 2007 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/
But I also think that Apple should learn from other companies...particularly Sony. While it was once the King of portable music (ie the Walkman), it now is struggling for market share. I attribute this not to technology but rather to too much proprietary bullshit.]]>Feb 13th 2007 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/"I don't think that most people who want to buy a movie do it because they have no interest in pirating the movie. Lots of average people can figure out how to copy a DVD movie by going to a place like Doom9 and following the guides there, or else just ask a friend who already knows how. I guarantee that most people who actually buy the movies do it because they want a real collection, like any other collection of items for sale. It's a status thing. If you have racks and racks of DVDs with the shiny covers and nice packaging, it's like check out my awesome collection of DVDs. Now, if you have racks and racks of DVD-Rs marked up with a Sharpee it is considerably less impressive from a capitalistic standpoint."

Indeed. If we get down to it, /everyone/ is /interested/ in pirating. But to clarify...the guy who buys a movie and copies it (for whatever purpose) isn't the pirate who. The guy who buys a 'pirated' copy of the disc for dirt cheap or downloads it for free (without making a legimate purchase) is the real pirate.

-And I completely agree with your status/image example, btw. Unless I were able to fit mass quantities of movies onto a single disc to save physical space, I'd still rather pay $20 for one movie with a shiny case than pay $1 for 20 movies to sit on the shelf looking tacky. ]]>Feb 14th 2007 8:54AM