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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Isn't this what killed Godzilla in the original movie?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Berkin]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 8:00PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[This is a joke right?  A vacuum is the ultimate insulator.  You know those nice thermoses you keep coffee in? They have an inner and outter shell, with a near vacuum in the middle.  This keeps your stuff nice and toasty! Are these people crazy!?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[waba waba]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 8:01PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[It's removal of Oxygen only, air is around 21% oxygen, the rest is Nitrogen and CO2. So, replace the Oxygen with something else - you have an environment that doesn't support fire (or life).]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam Rosner]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 9:19PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Please learn the proper use of "you're" and "you are". Thank you. That is all.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[LordJohnWhorfin]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 8:07PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Don't you mean:<br><br>Please learn the proper use of "your" and "you're". Thank you. That is all.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[G$]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 21st 2007 6:09PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Removing the oxygen will remove some risk of fire, but not any risk of overheating.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[LukeA]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 8:16PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Oh, and what happens when something malfunctions and a tech opens the door and goes in and there's something hot enough to ignite in regular atmosphere, but not in the oxygen-free one? What happens when the tech introduces oxygen to that?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[LukeA]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 8:19PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[waba: I thought so, too. Whilst it's true that air is a bad conductor of heat, it can at least conduct. A vacuum has no particles to transfer energy, so conduction cannot happen. Neither can convection. The only method left is radiation, which is no good way of ridding yourself of heat.<br><br>My thermodynamics is a bit rusty, though. No doubt somebody has an explanation to this.<br><br>LordJohnWhorfin: There is a grammar problem, but it's between "your" and "you're", rather than "you're" and "you are".<br><br>Karl]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 8:19PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Since when does removing oxygen = complete vacuum?  Unless that's all there were to begin with... which would've set the whole place on fire spontaneously anyway.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Error404]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 8:49PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[These types of systems have been around for a while.  Not really scaled for IT, but they have been around in other industries where fire can be a hazard.   It reduces the oxygen in the area but does not create a vacuum.   Also, importantly, you wont die, because there is still enough oxygen to support human breathing.   You might get fatigued if you spent some time there though.   It won't prevent fires 100%, but makes it much harder for them to ignite and grow.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Buzz0]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 8:58PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[It might also help with the rat problems...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Laks]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 9:28PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[These systems don't create a Vacuum they just replace the Oxygen with Nitrogen, so you still have the same cooling ability as normal air, but without the flammability.  ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 9:37PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[the excess oxygen could then be pumped into the office blocks, to make the employees more alert and productive. who cares if they combust...they're dispensable... muuuahhh hahahahahahaah]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[ryan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 10:58PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Makes sense to use N2 in an area prone to fire, but users have been providing fire protection via Halon for years, not such a bad way to go, since you have full time access to the area.  With a N2 purge, you're IT gurus would have to wait for several hours for the O2 levels to return to >19.5% before going in the server room to change out a hard drive... not exactly a timely repair in a mission critical environment.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Mikey B.]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 11:11PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Fire triangle: fuel, oxygen, heat.  Remove any one of the three to kill (or prevent) a fire.  For typical fuels, you need about 15% oxygen (by volume) to support combustion.  There are a number of fire suppression systems (some installed in mainframe rooms) that rely on this fact, discharging carbon dioxide, nitrogen, argon, or a combination of all three (e.g., Inergen) to reduce the oxygen concentration to the point that the fire is extinguished.  The amount of gases to be discharged can be significant, though, given that you need to replace about 30% of the air in the room with the inert gas.  And that ignores leakage, etc.<br><br>The systems described in this article are what we would call "inerting," as they are deployed before there is a fire in an effort to prevent ignition from occurring.  It seems like an expensive way to go, because you could deploy VESDA- (Very Early Smoke Detection Apparatus) type detection systems that can detect smoking (and, in some cases, even just overheating) circuit boards, long before fire becomes a serious issue.  Given that the conditions would have to be maintained as people enter and leave the room, introducing additional air, detection and suppression would probably be cheaper than maintenance of inerting.  Plus, I'm not sure I'd want to work in a reduced-oxygen atmosphere, day-in and day-out.<br><br>The image seems to tell a slightly different story than the article; instead of protecting the entire space, it appears that the oxygen concentration may be reduced only within volume of the equipment.  That would reduce the maintenance burden and would make the room a more pleasant place in which to work (relatively).  Given that the equipment is what you want to protect, anyway, and is the most likely source of the fire (along with underfloor cabling, I suppose), perhaps this would be a nice balance.<br><br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Fire Doc]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 20th 2007 11:13PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Won't removing the oxygen kill the sysadmins who are inside ?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Fact9]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 21st 2007 3:50AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[If you lower the oxygen level to 14%, it prevents combustion, but will still allow humans to breathe. The effects one would feel at that oxygen level would be about the same as being at the top of a mountain.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[MarkG]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 21st 2007 8:30AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/oxygen-deprivation-systems-showcased-at-cebit/</guid><description><![CDATA[Also seems like a new twist on an old system like Halon (or it's replacements)]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Trev]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mar 21st 2007 10:09AM</pubDate></item></channel></rss>