http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Mar 31st 2007 10:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/]]>Mar 31st 2007 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
Perhaps I should have put "a legal RECENT machine" instead of "legal machine." Sure, there are older Macintosh machines which can operate the current version of OSX, BUT I don't want an non-recent machine.

Saying "I modded my Apple TV to run the most recent version of OSX" is way cooler [in my opinion] than saying, "Yeah.. I installed the most recent version of OSX on a.. well.. G4..."

I suppose I should have omited "WHOOOOO" and "FINALLY!" from my prior statement, though. Good point D.B. I commend you on your ability to observe. I apologize to you and all who read this for being so 'unclear.' ]]>Mar 31st 2007 11:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Mar 31st 2007 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Mar 31st 2007 10:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Mar 31st 2007 10:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
This is a very good price. You get a 1GHZ CPU, 256MB of RAM, 40GB HD, Pretty decent GPU, Component/HDMI outputs.

I'm surprised Apple is making any moeny at the price it's at.]]>Mar 31st 2007 11:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Mar 31st 2007 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/

http://www.markandjo.com/markblog/wp-content/aTV_OS_X.mov]]>Mar 31st 2007 10:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
I would appreciate the video card, but realize that if you use fully legal components (not usually the case in a project like this...) there isn't a large price advantage over the Core (2?) Duo equipped Mini.

It's still cool.]]>Mar 31st 2007 10:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
$79US.

That deosn't put the cost near to the Mac Mini at all.]]>Apr 1st 2007 9:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
The only problems with using an old Mac are:
- it's large, ergo doesn't fit well with your media appliances.
- The GPU won't handle H;264 well at all. Quicktime will have to do the work in software and that will unfortunately be much worse than using the AppleTV appliance.

]]>Mar 31st 2007 11:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/The best part of this ability is that now you can have the AppleTV auto-login as a regular user and auto-start Front Row, iPhoto and iTunes.

I'm also guessing that now we can use the USB port for an External HDD and/or an external DVR. WIth some External HDDS offering a built-in USB hub it may even be possible to have both, assuming that the processor and port bus can handle it.


Gour things we still need to make this device perfect:
1) A way to access the AppleTV via the USB's backdoor without first taking the appliance apart.
2) The ability to play DVDs from remotely connected computers.
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Engineer: Mr. Jobs, we should make AppleTV support alternative media formats such as Xvid and Divx. This would give the product appeal to a wider audience.

Steve: No, that would piss off the movie studios and music labels that are using iTunes as a media distribution channel. We need media companies on board iTunes because its a major source of revenue and opening up support for pirate formats would hurt our relations.

Engineer: But your majesty, no one's gonna to buy AppleTV if it's closed format.

Steve: Okay, I understand your concern. Make it hackable. That way, tech savy customers as well as the average Joe will be happy with it and we wouldn't piss off our media partners.

... and thus the AppleTV was born.]]>Mar 31st 2007 11:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/installations, instant messaging + TV, Web Video Aggregation, Digg
Swarm, GoogleMapMashups with GooTube video.
its all a part of what this appleTV can be in a device when viewed as
a platform. Think OS X dashboard while watching TV.

people complain and say why would i want another computer? that's silly
do you render movies while you play games?

I can't wait to see the SecondLife on aTV with WiiMote. Apple's keen
vision with gestures on iPhone and previously with Expose present a wild
new scene that is coming quick.

thanks so much apple.]]>Apr 1st 2007 12:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/

I want a cookie.]]>Apr 1st 2007 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 12:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 1:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.orvtech.com]]>Apr 1st 2007 12:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 12:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 2:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 2:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
No and no. Its a linked device to iTunes on your desktop. Music and movies from the desktop are streamed to the Apple TV. Video needs to be encoded in either H.264 or MPEG4 for Apple TV to read it. You can either do this yourself or you are going to have to buy media off of Apple iTMS site. RAM is onboard the mobo and can not to removed or upgraded. ]]>Apr 1st 2007 5:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 5:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
When you are so far behind on serious projects, it's probably not good to be seen screwing around.

People might think you aren't serious and it could hurt your credibility.

-and that account is already dwindling.
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My mistake everyone, sorry!]]>Apr 1st 2007 7:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
FWIW, I don't believe those Dell monitors have HDMI. (they use HDCP over DVI?)]]>Apr 1st 2007 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/HDCP works fine over and has for years before HDMI came out.

Either way it doesn't matter since the Apple TV has never been reported or verified to even support HDCP.]]>Apr 1st 2007 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/My ancient (and CHEAP!) 450 mHz Compaq with integrated Intel Extreme Graphics (i810), under 200 MB RAM and running Linux (Ubuntu's Feisty release) can stream encoded videos over the network at 1280x1024 resolution with a full frame rate.

Why the blazes does Apple TV need even the hardware that it has? Granted, it does output to TVs, but it is also specifically tailored for video / music playback and presumably its interface is as sleek under the hood as it looks on top. It also only does 2 video formats, so there's some more room to optimize which my desktop computer can't have.

Okay they didn't totally overdo it, but the Apple TV is clearly less efficient than my trusty PC.]]>Apr 1st 2007 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/


Erm, last time I checked "HDMI/Component" outputs = High Definition media-oriented. While your laptop may be powerful enough to process whatever you claim, decoding h.264 High Definition content (likely from iTunes in the future), isn't for the faint of hardware. I highly doubt your 450mhz computer could pull that off - not even the 700mhz Xbox Celeron CPU can handle that at a reasonable framerate.]]>Apr 1st 2007 7:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 1st 2007 10:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/
The page (and the whole website) is now gone.

The whole internet gets stupider every year on Apr 1.]]>Apr 2nd 2007 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/31/apple-tv-running-full-version-of-os-x/Apr 2nd 2007 11:44AM