http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/ Engadget Comments for IBM gearing up to lay off over 100000 American employees? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
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apparently theres only 110,000 IBM employees in the US; how are they going to let go almost their entire workforce?]]>May 5th 2007 12:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 12:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 5:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
It is the responsibility of a business in this country to employ workers in this country, and not only that, it's generally in their best interests. Its frightening how this trend is ever increasing in this nation, and it's a problem that needs to be solved. If you want to operate a business in this country and you want to sell your product here, then you need to focus at least a good deal of your labor here. If we held these companies to a decision, either operate your business here and employ a decent number of American workers, or your products will be banned from the country, how many of these layoff stories would we be hearing about? ]]>May 5th 2007 2:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/But as a ThinkPad fan, I'm also worried about the quality of the brand going down the toilet.]]>May 5th 2007 1:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
The brand got flushed the nanosecond they sold it to Lenovo . Have you see the current models. If not go look...http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/ they turned on of the best, debatable of course, laptops in the industry into a bloated piece of shit. Everyone who let that deal go through at IBM should be taken out back, placed on their knees, blindfolded, and shot. The ThinkPad line is dead to me. I will hold my T41 tightly as I remember the glory days of the Thinkpad before Lenovo squat over it and took a nice big shat.]]>May 5th 2007 3:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/apparently theres only 110,000 IBM employees in the US; how are they going to let go almost their entire workforce?



hmmm, by moving to company to China? YOu do know that IBM is owned by the Chinese right?]]>May 5th 2007 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
I'm getting sick and tired of all these businesses abandoning us for their own greed, it's ironic so many left my city and only the Asian-owned stayed, if our military base had closed we'd be a ghost town. Thank God for protesting, am I right?]]>May 5th 2007 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/actually i think Lenovo only bought the IBM thinkpad division.. IBM itself is not owned by Lenovo.

anyone can confirm this?]]>May 5th 2007 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
Actually, they bought the entire IBM PC division, which also includes the ThinkCentre line. Although obviously the ThinkPad brand was the most valuable asset in the PC division.]]>May 5th 2007 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
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Should be apparent to anyone able to use Google.

Sounds like FUD to me. I don't believe IBM will be laying off 100,000 workers - that's way too much. IBM is certainly smart enough to not fire everybody in hopes of hiring an equal number of Indians - most of what IBM does these days is consulting and services and most of those jobs can't be outsourced to anywhere. Maybe they'll move internal stuff like accounting to low cost countries. ]]>May 5th 2007 1:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 8:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 1:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/When the actual news is cleared up, it would be no surprise, however, to find out that it goes something like, "Including retirements, IBM will be letting go of close to 100k people over the course of the next 10 years."
Still sound like a lot? Anyone that has ever worked for Intel knows that they regularly weed out under-performers as a matter of course. Doesn't mean those guys necessarily suck. Just means the bar is set high. Then if there is need to fill in the gap, they hire more.]]>May 5th 2007 1:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
Wow is Lou Dobbs ever going to be steaming mad when he hears this!

His head might implode or something...

JA

http://www.supplychainnetwork.com/

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The Americans among us that have no creativity and have no skills are the ones that tend to go first. It's just a matter of what's good for business.]]>May 5th 2007 2:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
Laying off 100,000 employees is never a good thing...time to dump that tech and real estate stock. Who is going to buy all the crap if we loose our jobs?]]>May 5th 2007 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 3:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 3:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 3:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 6th 2007 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 7th 2007 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
How bout the chips in the PS3, XBOX, and Wii, not to mention a ton of mainframe servers. Anyone in the know will agree that the AS/400, RS/6000, and zSeries line of machines are workhorses.]]>May 8th 2007 7:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
So please spare me the crap about "training the American worker for high tech jobs" as education funding is cut. Oh, and the Indians and Chinese aren't exactly picking lettuce in California so don't try and feed us the other BS line of "they do jobs that Americans wont do". They are doing the high tech jobs. Yea people, keep voting for the party of fake Patriots that rewards corporate greed at the expense of hard working Americans. MAN, HOW DID YOU LET THE FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THEY GAVE A RATZ AZZ ABOUT YOU THE AMERICAN WORKER? THEY DON'T LOVE YOU HO's!!]]>May 5th 2007 3:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 7th 2007 11:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
So about the number...IBM may not have that many actual employees but if you count all the subcontractors they use, the numbers may add up. I know the majority of the people let go earlier this week were subcontractors (and there were a lot of them).]]>May 5th 2007 4:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 19th 2007 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/a company named International Business Machines is repositioning it's work force to be more global.
I'm supposed to be shocked becaaaause...]]>May 5th 2007 6:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 8:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
jake
http://www.layoffspace.com]]>May 5th 2007 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
Read the quality of the writing on these comment pages and ask yourself how many you would hire. And this is a somewhat technical forum.]]>May 5th 2007 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
IBM already has 65% of its 400K employee workforce outside the US; I doubt that this is simply an "excuse" for anything, but instead simply a function of the realities of a new, truely global, marketplace

Saying that they just need to become more efficient is also disingenuous. First off this is, inherently, a first step in becoming more efficient; second, when other companies / industries take steps to become more efficient they get pushback from organizations like the SEIU that are more interested in retaining jobs than ensuring long-term competiveness.

Wake up, it's a new world. The only person responsible for you is you.
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It's called India and China. They're smarter and cheaper than you.

Next question?]]>May 5th 2007 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/May 5th 2007 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
From what I understand there have been some services groups that were switched over to LEAN earlier this year (late last year?). Essentially the idea is to drop remote/telecommuting and centralize such that every body works out of one of five(?) locations throughout the US. Obviously, along with this, they plan on dropping a tremendous number of the services workforce. My mom talked to a lady who's group was one of the early ones to go LEAN...and she said that, as a result, they've actually had to hire more people to support their existing clients than they originally had when decentralized.

Suffice to say, my mom's had a hell of a week wondering if she was going to get axed, but she's too smart and she works too hard while not giving herself enough credit (she's one of those go-the-extra-mile people). Unfortunately for her, before the others on her project got laid off for LEAN, IBM had already come down with a decree of "no overtime" so she was already getting f'd on her workload. Now that she's having to carry the load for several other related positions on the same projects that got axed, now she's super f'd.

Anyone looking for a top-notch backup/sys admin with 20 years of experience and a drive to do things right the first time, ever time? :)]]>May 5th 2007 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/--

So? The Programmers aren't the decision makers, they're the worker bees. They are the ones being outsourced. Not news.

And to a previous comment, are you going to wait 50 years for the wages in China to reach North American levels. What then? By then the Chinese and Indians will be outsourcing to South East Asia for cheaper labor (happening already, in pockets)

How does that help the US?]]>May 5th 2007 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
My company makes VLSI designs, and we've outsourced some of our designing and development to this company Wipro in India. More often than ones, the guys there have solved problems for us that we've found extremely challenging.

Of course ¢rappy two-bits are also there in India. One tends to get what one pays for, over there too. If people think that this is a myth that Indian technicians are bad, well, I can only suggest them that they take a reality pill. Indian companies are evermore being sought after, and we all better wake up to this. For starters, we can begin with the cleaning up of our school system.]]>May 5th 2007 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
Read the quality of the writing on these comment pages and ask yourself how many you would hire. And this is a somewhat technical forum.""

Is this what they teach you in Anti-Americanism 101? I've worked with services people all over the world and the services provided by motivated (well paid) American programmers and support technicians is the best in the world. I repeatedly have to correct simple mistake made by Indian engineers, and as others have pointed out, they simply don't understand the way business works in the US or Europe and have no sense of urgency when working on a problem for a Fortune 5000 business. I am regularly spammed by IMs from them asking me how to do their job. Why should I help them when they are trying to learn enough to replace me.

I will gladly take anyone from the US with a CS or MIS degree over their Indian counterparts when it comes to doing technical work.]]>May 5th 2007 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/
On the other hand, I've also dealt first hand with code coming out of India. It's not usually very good. It takes a very strong bi-lingual project manager on the client side to make things work.]]>May 5th 2007 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/I agree that we are focusing less on science and technology, but I think this is to a large portion due to a decline in traditional American values of hard work etc.. More kids these days want to bairly get out of high school and then try and sell a rap record to someone.]]>May 5th 2007 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/05/ibm-gearing-up-to-layoff-over-100000-american-employees/ Not suprising though, when you think that most of u.s. nuclear technology and production is now owned by mitsubishi of Japan.
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Of course that's utterly false, but people will no doubt believe it.

*Sigh*]]>May 5th 2007 5:00PM