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Of course, the problem is that nasty "download your TV shows off the Internet for free" competitor.]]>May 25th 2007 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/Jun 16th 2007 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/]]>May 25th 2007 3:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
Anyhow our major problem is that the shows on satellite are not necessarily available on iTunes or other "legal" sites. We could just rent the season worth of DVD's but as you mentioned the waiting is a bitch.
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Just call it a la carte. Everyone else does. ]]>May 25th 2007 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
you're absolutely right about blocbuster total access, its sometimes even faster for me to drive down the street exchange my mailers for instore rentals then it is to either wait for a download.

blockbuster is also giving out free 2 week trials if you put in this promo code:

06694b

gives you the 3 movies out at a time plan free for 2 week. great promo code!]]>May 25th 2007 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/My municipal library system has all the latest-&-greatest tv series collections; multiple copies, even. Sometimes I have to wait a couple weeks, but there are other things to watch until then; I go online and reserve, then receive an email when it is ready for me to walk down and pick it up.
Living within a mile of a library branch helps too.]]>May 25th 2007 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
but then again I also have 10 boxes....6 of them HD-DVRs :D]]>May 25th 2007 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 29th 2007 10:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
Just get an antenna.]]>May 25th 2007 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
Couple of problems:
- no HD on iTunes
- Cable has more content (The Simpsons, American Idol, etc)
- DVD's = waiting 6months after end of season to watch (ie. Lost)
- Bittorrenting all shows is a nice backup for when my TWC DVR chops the end of the American Idol finale off...someone needs a legal alternative to this.]]>May 25th 2007 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/

Also, "buyshifting" needs to be added to wikipedia]]>May 27th 2007 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
That expense is over 1yr now and working on year two, so that is BY FAR the cheapest way, and I also have the BEST hd available, hands down.

I don't have cable, who needs that crap?]]>May 25th 2007 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
This year I'm at 530/yr, and next year, it'll be 353/yr.

In 2 years, I'll be at 250/yr.]]>May 25th 2007 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
Funny - both of those are on OTA channels, which are rebroadcast via cable. All of those can be recorded - in HD - for the cost of a decent PC (read: ]]>May 25th 2007 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
But, things are going to have to change drasticly. As an example I can't download a iTunes free Tues song from Germany or U.K. Because I don't live there. Why? If I like the artist why can't I buy it no matter where I live.]]>May 25th 2007 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
I went through this exercise to determine what it SHOULD cost me to get all the media content I want without ANY advertising. Yes, I will pay $1,000 per year to get any content I want, when I want it, where I want it, on the device I want it on.

This is in addition to paying the UTILITY cost of delivering the content and the DEVICE cost to consume it.

Now there is a business model for the future. Any communications companies or media companies listening?]]>May 25th 2007 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
Only problem with that option is no cable shows (iTunes can solve this for the most part - not so much DVD if you want to watch daily shows like the Daily Show, Colbert Report, etc...) and no cable sports. THAT is the biggest issue by far with dropping cable for buy-shifting for many consumers. If I could get ESPN, ESPN2, and TNT NBA, then I would have already cancelled my cable sub a long time ago. Get me my live sports w/o all of the other cable crap and I would be on the bandwagon immediately. Until, then, it just won't work for many sports fans.]]>May 25th 2007 5:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
Thanks,

David
www.1to10reviews.com]]>May 25th 2007 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/Add a line to the table for torrents, and factor in the cost of broadband and storage (either HDD and/or DVD).
It might possibly show that in some cases buying is more sensible than pirating...]]>May 25th 2007 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 28th 2007 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
IPTV, Cable, and others will not survive too much longer in the marketplace. They are forms of protected media delivery; where content providers are in control. The REAL growing trend is the transfer of media control from provider to consumer. Consumers created this market with piracy torrent downloads and copyright infringement. It is ridiculous to assume that people will fall into one of those boxes, providers can't keep up with the consumer trend.It is the uber media hosts like Google who will retain control and eventually charge for subscription. Their free-range content and audience model will far outlast itunes and the others because it is designed and controlled by consumers.

I think the attempt to create a phrase to describe how consumers are getting content as buyshifting is (A) A ridiculous confusing term for a simple trend and is (B) a personal branding move. Interesting story but leave the nomenclature to the professionals please!

Arrgh, Methinks the writer a land lover, and left out the masses of us who sail the seven torrent seas without a flag to our mast, nor itunes account. Arghh! ]]>May 25th 2007 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 25th 2007 7:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
Itunes, needs to have at least a computer, and a monthly subscription to the internet at high speed, DSL or Cable. If you have cable, then you need to factor some of the CABLE cost, AND the CABLE internet cost in to the itunes cost, if you have DSL then you could have JUST DSL.

As well, there needs to be SOME X factor for other programming. If you JUST had VOD, or ITunes, you could NEVER watch CNN, or the Today show, or something like that (okay, today is on the net, but not LIVE so what good would that be)

As the networks are hoping for these technologies, it is to be INCREMENTAL revenue, not necessarilly TAKE AWAY from CABLE or SAT revenue, but in the end, people watch more MOBILE content, or PLACE SHIFTED content (on the computer, on the road, NOT in the living room) than they used to just watch TV.

People said, TV Would kill radio, well that didn't happen either.]]>May 25th 2007 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
If this was such an incredibly viable business model, where is the pay-cable channel content on these stores? HBO, Starz, etc? They are either in their own storefront, or not playing at all.

Frankly, nothing on the market beats the flexibility of VOD (cable or dish) + DVR. If a consumer wants to placeshift, they can plug that into the mix with everything from a settop box to a full HTPC/Orb combo.

Nothing in 360 Marketplace, Amazon Unbox, iTunes, or anything else comes close to the full flexibility offered by that combination. Oh yes, and its cheaper too.

In the near term, the most interesting thing I'm watching is the competition between iTunes and XBox360 Marketplace.

Will Marketplace get more content popular content before iTunes adds rental support and high quality video? Will Marketplace add "subscription" abilities to download entire seasons of content as they appear? Will Zune users ever get a video service that leverages marketplace?

Who has more muscle here, and who has the better business model? That's going to be fun to watch. ]]>May 25th 2007 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://shoot-edit.com/index.php/video/comments/in_response_to_hdforindies_thoughts_on_media_post/
that talks about the similarities of the internet killing print, now putting the hurt on the Cable and Broadcast business. Written by someone in the Cable Industry in fact.]]>May 25th 2007 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
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Joost has been working well with a few hiccups here and there.]]>May 27th 2007 12:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=GHu%2f0jn3ihOl2PesYPQ%2fgQ%3d%3d to take the survey. We'll report to you when we have significant data.]]>May 28th 2007 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/
You want to watch sports live, as it happens, so the whole "have to be there at a specific time" thing makes perfect sense. For shows or other content it makes absolutely no sense at all. I never understood how people can actually be there in front of their TV at a specific time to watch their favorite show - as if they didn't have enough appointments to keep/remember during the day?!

Most shows I am interested in I have on DVD. But I may shift that to iTunes once it becomes available in this country.

Oh I forgot - some ppl actually watch news on TV. Why I don't know as you can get much better, more accurate and more timely info on demand anywhere on the web. Sans the commercials.]]>May 28th 2007 10:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 29th 2007 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 29th 2007 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/ins-and-outs-is-buyshifting-the-future-of-television-part-2/May 29th 2007 11:20AM