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But honestly,go live with the Amish for a month,and tell me how you got on using a signal fire or something.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
Says the guy reading a blog about electronic gadgets on a computer powered by electricity using the wonderful technological invention of the internet.... yep, you love the good old days...]]>Jun 3rd 2007 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/I'm gonna have him get himself one of these and get me one too on his September budget.

Department of Ed workers get spectacular Cingular, Verizon and Sprint discounts.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 6:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
I can assure you that most people will not buy an iphone. I can explain this by my magical rules of economics.

1: the market is driven by price.
2: most people are'nt rolling in cash
3: most people want their phone to be just that; a phone
4: most people would be afraid of losing their brand new 500 dollar superphone that everyone wants.

Now, lets look at a greatexample; the motorola RAZR. Lots of people wanted it early on (because of its large screen size and asthetics), but it was rather expensive for a phone. Then, companies began to give offers like "sign up for two years and get a free razr", and then everyone (including schoolchildren) started to have them.

Regardless of how amazing it is, the iphone is priced too high except for business people and geeks, who are still obssesd with their pdas and treos...]]>Jun 3rd 2007 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/"most people want their phone to be just that; a phone" Can you even get a phone without at least a camera anymore, not to mention TV, MP3 player, web browser, text messenger...? 500 bucks is a perfectly reasonable price for a consumer electronics device. ]]>Jun 3rd 2007 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 4th 2007 12:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
Uhh, yes you can. It's called the Nokia 1100, and it's one of the best selling electronic gadgets ever (at 200 million units) outpacing the RAZR, the Playstation 2, and even your beloved iPod. And do you know what it does? It makes phone calls. Reliably. And it's cheap.


]]>Jun 3rd 2007 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 4:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
Then again, what do you think, Will it be able to stream files from a upnp / daap server? Or even use aveenu? ]]>Jun 3rd 2007 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
Will Apple let people buy the iPhone from the online Apple Store with no ATT contract ?

Anyone has a clue ?

Thanks]]>Jun 3rd 2007 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
The way I understand his post is that he will have his dad get one in his name because his dad is an employee of the Department of Education which get very good discounts with Cingular and both hardware (the iPhone here) and the plans (voice, data, whatever...). To get the discounts from Cingular, it would have to be done by his dad (in his name).

In other words, I don't think he meant to say that the school his dad works at will pay for the phone(s).


Hey kiddo, what are the discounts Cingular offers to employees of the Department of Education?]]>Jun 3rd 2007 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 11:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
Now, Rev C should be good and by then they'll have increased to storage and added on UMTS/ HSDPA and GPS...hopefully.

Cingular's prices are expensive by the way. I get a 1,000 nationwide minutes + free W/E and & nights for $39.99 with T-Mobile.
Cingular prices hurt me!]]>Jun 3rd 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
Plus, name one retailer/ manufacturer you would rather deal with other than Apple if you have a problem with your hardware/ software.

I wonder if you even own a Mac and know what Apple is all about.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
care to say what then..

also i name two nintendo & virgin]]>Jun 3rd 2007 12:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid716692140/bclid756513564/bctid933742971

Walt: Are you still on track to ship that, when?
Steve: Late June.
Walt: Late June. That means like the very last day of June?
Steve: Uhh, yah. (with a smile and some laughter)

So he really didn't say anything we haven't heard before, but the mid-June days seems to be out of the question now. Look at the iTunes Plus (DRM free). The press release they have on this originally said "May". They got it out in May... practically the last day.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/I can't wait til this is released so we can stop hearing about the rumors of the release date.

Here is my predictions:

June 4, or 5, or 6, or 7, or 8, or 9, or 10, or 11, or 12, or 13, or 14, or 15, or 16, or 17, or 18, or 19, or 20, or 21, or 22, or 23, or 24, or 25, or 26, or 27, or 28, or 29, or 30 .... but my real prediction is the 31st :)]]>Jun 3rd 2007 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
Well,

1) if people picked-up RAZRs, Nokias running on Symbian and Windows Mobile powered devices in several cases worth several hundred dollars and were happy with them whereas they actually provide a rather poor user experience, it is safe to say that the iPhone won't have too much trouble doing better. People just don't know, they don't realize for now. That was all there was avail to them irrespective of the price.

2) Competitors: take the Nokia N95 for instance, it's got everything you would want in a cellphone. But it's very thick and the battery life sucks (< 1 day). It also costs $700+.
Apple are keeping things simple and they are right for their first product model on a new model line/ business.
LG prada: it runs Windows! I have a Dash and while I don't mind putting up with Windows Mobile because I paid close to nothing for it.

3) Price: there are plenty of people who can and will pay for the iPhone with or without a AT&T contract. So price is non-issue. Just like any other item out there, those you can, will and those you cannot, probably won't get it.

Keep in mind, proportionally to people's cellphone bills of $80+, the price of their iPod. digital camera, how much they spend on dining out two three nights a week, how much a tank of gas costs, a new outfit from JCrew or Ralph Lauren, when put in perspective, a $500 piece of hardware isn't really all that much, especially it is more pleasant to use than the crap stuff they currently lug around.

If it turns out to be a good device, word will spread and the numerous people targeted and who can afford it, will be drawn to it.

Apple should be fine.


I haven't dealt with the two brand-names you mentioned. I would add I never had a problem with Apple's hardware in the first place. I just never buy Rev A products from anyone.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
>>Modana: "Can you even get a phone without at least a camera anymore, not to mention TV, MP3 player, web browser, text messenger...?"

Uhh, yes you can. It's called the Nokia 1100, and it's one of the best selling electronic gadgets ever (at 200 million units) outpacing the RAZR, the Playstation 2, and even your beloved iPod. And do you know what it does? It makes phone calls. Reliably. And it's cheap.



Uhh, no you can't. They stopped selling them. Check http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/1100. It says, "Product not available for purchase."

I believe the iPhone will definitely sell. This device is getting more press than any other pre-released electronics device I have ever seen.

I can definitely see people who either hate the typical "Apple Fanboy" or just the whole iPod monopoly get vexed by the iPhone. It's just like people who love Apple hate many products made by Microsoft no matter what just because it's Microsoft. But it doesn't matter. It's all a matter of opinion whether you like the iPhone or not.

Last thing, the iPhone is not over priced. The first Blackberry's were at least $800 when they first came out and they obviously don't match iPhone's features. The idea is, the first one is always the hardest one to make, and also the worst. After a while, they find better and more efficient ways to make them, thus making them cheaper, with better features. Then they make more models with lower specs which are more affordable. Also, it is going to be difficult for competitors to keep up with Apple. Apple pours tons of money into researching new technologies, a lot more than other companies. That LG touchscreen that Apple allegedly copied is garbage. It's more expensive, crappy specs, etc. It just has a nice interface. That's an example how Apple researches more. They discover ways to have superior specs in a small container at a lower price.

I'd give Apple a couple years to play around with the iPhone. By then, there may be several models with various prices. I'd definitely say that it has the potential to get some control in every cell phone market. It's gonna take some time, just like it did with the iPod.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
ok you make a point with price i agree that people will buy it. i said that origianlly that it will sell lots, but what i also said that you dont make a point of is that while motorola razr and nokias n95 are comparable to iphone in the fact they have os and make calls but thats it! and wheres your proof that the n95 is a good selling phone?, the iphone is a stand alone product, motorola and nokia dont just make those phones they release a variety of phones, all diffrent shapes sizes and set for different uses, does apple no and will they i doubt it, like i said it will be popular but for a short while, what about 3g buyers & hspda users, what about buyers looking for budget phone, nokia motorola all provide these even blackberrys come in different formats because there is a multitude of users iphone cannot complete with this in the long run, from what your saying that all electrical products are inferior to apple products i suppose you believe that ipod is the best mp3 player, and that mackbooks are the best laptops a lot of people will disagree and alot of people will disagree to that and i would although i like my ipod (which yes i do own) i wouldnt be unhappy with a creative or sony player, there no better or worse just different, certainly not crap. your comments are based on fanboyism and thats fine just dont force them on me]]>Jun 3rd 2007 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
If a prospective buyer walked into a Cingular store and had some free phone with a monthly service of $40 and the iPhone with the same plan for $65, I think there would be a lot of takers.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
I understand what you are saying. You speculated Apple will have a two-month mad-dash sales period on the iPhone but that it would eventually fade. That's why I reacted.
I think they will simply build on their product line and their (newer) models will keep selling as the iPhone product line grows. All the other have a zillion different models but not one that one you can buy from them without feeling you made a concession by not buying the next model to it. Plus I really dislike the current existing OS and menus in all existing phone except Blackberry.
As far as the iPhone is concerned, it's all about the experience going from one device to another in the collection of toys we use nowadays in our lives. It's how well the computer, phone, Apple TV and OS in each will integrate and work with each other. If its competitors don't wake up and really with superior products/ offerings from the customer's stand point and not theirs, Apple should continue to do better and better.

In response to your example about the iPod, in my case I would be unhappy with a Sony or a Creative music player because the software you are forced to use it really sub-par coming from the Apple savoir-faire. Unless you resort to using drag-and-drop as a way of syncing your device with your computer or if you never sync your device once loaded with your music.

It's just an exchange of ideas. I certainly don't intend to force my views on anyone.

I am off now. Take care.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Endgaget responders are such a fun bunch.]]>Jun 3rd 2007 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
its fun debating!

im a master debator!

take care as well :)]]>Jun 3rd 2007 6:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 7:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 3rd 2007 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/Jun 4th 2007 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/iphone-release-date-june-29th/
June 29th, it is]]>Jun 3rd 2007 7:05PM