http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/ Engadget Comments for Sun says Apple is switching to ZFS in Leopard http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 12:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 12:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 12:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
Learn more about ZFS here and dr00l to your hearts content:

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/]]>Jun 7th 2007 12:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 1:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 12:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
PS-That was not a joke either. *wants to kick his MBP across the room*]]>Jun 7th 2007 1:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 1:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 1:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 1:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
you'd have to put checksum hardware in all cpu's first (significantly reducing power usage per byte) before it could be efficient.

frankly i dont see the advantage in single drive systems, data integrity is a binary characteristic (your either drive runs or it will not boot) and theres plenty of other flexible log based journaling systems.]]>Jun 7th 2007 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 2:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 1:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html

And for the complete nerds, here is the complete list of binary prefixes:

http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html]]>Jun 7th 2007 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 1:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/244/;jsessionid=4DEEAE13A4489C28E3C4644C98986C1F

Also, Apple made an extension to HFS+ (HFSX) back on 10.3 (Panther) days to allow case-sensitivity, but since it can cause lots of problems for apps that assume file names to be case insensitive, it was never the default.]]>Jun 7th 2007 9:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
I don't think you understand the differences between these two OS's.

Windows is meant to work on literally thousands upon thousands of different types of hardware, software, networks, etc.

Mac OS only has to work with their pre-determined hardware, software, networks, etc.

So what system is going to be more stable, the one that needs to work with a million different systems or the one that only needs to work with a few? Of course mac's OS is going to be more stable. What would happen if Mac OS was ported to PC's? Same problems as Windows, most likely worse because Mac has no experience with that type of OS.

Mac OS is not better then Windows in every single possible way...]]>Jun 7th 2007 1:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 2:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
Where I find Apple wins is with the ease of use thing: Not once, on my Mac, have I plugged in a *supported* peripheral and have it fail to mount or a driver crash. I find Apple tends to support emerging technologies better than Microsoft. This is probably because they have a smaller, more loyal user base who are willing to forgive when Apple makes harsh decisions like replacing ADB with USB. Installing my Bluetooth dongle on my Windows PC was a pain: Download installer, run it before plugging in hardware, plug in hardware, dreaded "dong-dong-dong" sound, repeat. Installing it on my Mac involved plugging it in.

The concept here is that people choose what's best for them. I chose a Mac because I find the OS is organized the way I expect it to be, and it works in my rhythm (totally subjective, I know.) Apple is unlikely to sully it's track record by opening to any old x86 box, and MS will simply continue to hone it's skills in the market it dominates.

Oh, and as an aside-- it drives me *nuts* when people use "Apple" and "Mac" interchangeably. "Mac" has "no experience with that type of OS" because Mac is a brand name and a platform. I think you meant "Apple". ;-)]]>Jun 7th 2007 3:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
You must be a switcher. Apple doesn't care about anything older than it's most current product. Or, maybe you think the Lombards got a fair shake? How about the last G5 purchasers? Nice classic support too. There's too many cases of Apple not giving a rats ass to expect them to do anything like what you're suggesting.]]>Jun 7th 2007 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
I was somewhat underwhelmed by the preview of Leopard and Time Machine, but if ZFS makes it in, Time Machine will be so much better!!]]>Jun 7th 2007 2:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 2:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 3:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 4:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
yup! transactional file systems rock.]]>Jun 7th 2007 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 2:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/
I'm sure Apple's not going to force an unbootable filesystem on users.]]>Jun 7th 2007 3:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
Tarzan begins to learn about the stars

;-)]]>Jun 7th 2007 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
One of the main benefits of ZFS is snapshots of the data over time. Remember Time Machine in Leopard? It's fairly obvious that Time Machine and ZFS are made for each other...]]>Jun 7th 2007 3:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.ars/2006/8/15/4995

However, I'm sure ZFS support is in there and Time Machine has an abstraction layer based on the filesystem.

ZFS support in OS X doesn't mean a full migration. It's probably just another supported file-system, much like HFS+ Case Sensitive or UFS. As a result, it's probably more likely to have full support in the OS X Server version as ZFS is a fantastic file-system for big storage needs. Needless to say, if there is full support, my secondary data drive will be converted to a ZFS storage pool.]]>Jun 7th 2007 3:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/--
Just one small thing: what OS market?
It's a monopoly because, there is no market. Get Linux? First of all, most people on this planet don't know Linux exists, and the ones that do (like me) don't want to go near it because it looks unattractive, geeky, and way out of my league in terms of MAINTENANCE.

Buying a new computer with an Apple logo does not constitute a viable alternative to Windows because that's new hardware, not software.

So, if you have a Dell sitting on your desk, what is this OS market you speak of. Plainly, MS dominates because there is no market. Bill Gates said it himself many years ago, developers benefit from having a natural monopoly. The only downside is.. the OS maker's hubris.

Anyway, I have a Macbook and I love it, but it bugs me when 'techies' (that's being polite) always try to sit on the fence with this: yes you should slam Microsoft for having stuff that is 5 years out of date, considering all their resources.]]>Jun 7th 2007 4:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
And yes, I agree with the comments above that it is quite clear that Time Machine and ZFS are perfect complements, especially if backing-up to an external zpool... ]]>Jun 7th 2007 4:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 6:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
As I understand it Linux is unlikely to ever get support for zfs as the licensing is incompatible. ]]>Jun 7th 2007 9:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.csamuel.org/2006/12/30/zfs-on-linux-works/ mentions, "Linux would be a perfect alternative to Solaris storage servers."

For some reason Engadget seems to exclusively associate "Open source" with Linux, but of course there is FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenSolaris, and even an open source reimplementation of Windows (http://www.reactos.org). Who knows, any of them could "come from behind" to become significant (though perhaps only as the official underdog ;)).]]>Jun 7th 2007 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
the stupid OMG DIM SCREEN ERROR MESSAGE...very annoying. In fact my MBP stopped wanting to shut down and would hang at the blue screen with the stupid circle for like hours, so I had to hard reset it.
Either way after I reformatted it was fine though.]]>Jun 7th 2007 9:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
Right now, ZFS has way too much hype around it for what it really is and what it will do in the real world of daily use.]]>Jun 7th 2007 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/Jun 7th 2007 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/07/sun-says-apple-is-switching-to-zfs-in-leopard/
Highly doubtful this will ever be put into the OS itself, and i hope not ever: DIY or go home. Maybe some day Apple will voluntarily shell out the cash to MS to include it in the OS, I suggest simply learning how to use your computer as a tool as an alternative.]]>Jun 7th 2007 1:37PM