http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/ Engadget Comments for iPhone details uncovered in Sales Training Workbook http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 6:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/the iphone is going to be a huge disappointment without 3g or gps kinda weak if you ask me

CmdrTaco on iPod Oct. 2001:
No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
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Looks familiar, except Taco used capitalization and punctuation. See ya in five years.]]>Jun 10th 2007 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 6:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 7:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
Removing a feature sometimes can be a feature to push innovation for a similar service in a better way. Stop crying.]]>Jun 9th 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
Besides how many people ask for your email address as well when you trade contacts?]]>Jun 9th 2007 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
What I don't understand is this, "iPhone users will not be able to conduct IM conversations with IM users". What kind of crap is that? It's MORONIC if they don't include IM tools on the phone, what possible reason could they have for leaving it out?

The only possible excuse is that it will be an early 3rd party app, or an early upgrade you can get.

Either way, I think it's time for me to dump my Apple stock, to rebuy after the release, although I already missed out on that ridiculous temporary swell late last week.]]>Jun 9th 2007 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
That comparison doesn't apply at all. Hardly anyone used floppies in 1997, and the emergence of other faster/higher capacity/more convenient options such as the internet, CD-Rs, and even Zip disks meant they were obviously on the way out. To the contrary, MMS is presently the de-facto standard for sending pictures, sound and video between devices over the mobile network, and is yet to be superseded by anything significantly better. Making a mobile which doesn't support MMS isn't like making a computer which doesn't have a floppy drive- it's like making one which can't run Microsoft Office. There is no reason to not support MMS.

@Donald:

So if I want to send a picture to someone whose phone doesn't support email (or if I don't know either way- I know people's names and numbers, I don't keep track of what features their phones support!) I have to find out what carrier they're on (which isn't always obvious from the number as people can transfer a number between networks), find out the equivalent email address to forward to their phone as MMS (assuming there is one for every carrier, including outside the US!), hope my email isn't too big or pictures/attachments in the wrong format so it can actually be sent as MMS, and then send it? And if they want to send me one back they need my email as well as my number and have to find an MMS -> email forwarding service? Man, that sounds much more user friendly than the obvious option of just supporting both MMS and email to give you both options, like most other new phones today.]]>Jun 9th 2007 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 10th 2007 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 11th 2007 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
Without Outlook Exchange access, this phone will only limit itself to the average joe/jane who has money to burn on expensive phones. One shouldn't have to pay more than $300 for ANY cell phone.]]>Jun 9th 2007 7:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
I just purchased a sony ericsson w810i, total cost out of pocket for me, 82 dollars and change. then I got a 4 gig memory card for 75 dollars online. not to mention the sony headphones included are much better quality than the lame excuse for headphones apple provides with their products.

I'll do the math for you.

82 + 75 = 157 for 4 gigs

82 + 75 + 75 = 232 for 8 gigs

Sooner or later people will stop paying top dollar for apple's mediocre junk.

iPhones touchscreen keyboard will be its demise. Unless you are anorexic and your fingers are the size of a PDA stylus. ]]>Jun 10th 2007 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Not sure why the on-screen keyboard is cited as a "feature" with the quotes round it. Little bit subjective, this report. Isn't it?]]>Jun 9th 2007 7:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
Ouch. Are they gonna wait until after you purchase it to tell you that?]]>Jun 9th 2007 7:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
It's not IM in that I don't see a list of online buddies, but I'm communicating with my buddies all the same. If they're no online when I try to send a SMS.

Now, about that MMS bit.
MMS is broken anyway, IMHO.
People can't MMS from comp to phone or phone to comp (that I'm aware of).
You can't retrieve an MMS that was sent to a different device (i.e. if you grab another phone or are in front of your comp.)
I can't even get correct MMS from people on other carriers. Pictures comes through, video and sound don't.

I'd MUCH rather have that stuff emailed to me.

Here's the caveat. I'm a Mac user, so I'm kinda' used to "work arounds" ;)
Flame on.]]>Jun 9th 2007 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/]]>Jun 9th 2007 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
If you're on AT&T (since you have the W810i), your IMs are billed as SMS.]]>Jun 9th 2007 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
I'm so scared of being anally raped on AT&Ts data plan that it never occurred to me to try their IM service. That, and SMS has been bloody easy.]]>Jun 9th 2007 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/So I doubt the scans are fake. Shes a big iPhone groupie so to speak.

"iPhone users will not be able to conduct IM conversations with instant messaging users"

Now if iChat is missing then no IMing's and SJ lied about it being a complete OSX OS.
If it does have iChat then the training guide is kinda misleading.
However iChat could be added if Apple makes it downloadable from them only.]]>Jun 9th 2007 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
Yeah, and where's iMovie and Garageband?

First, Apple never promised a complete Mac OS X. Also, there's a distinction between the OS and bundled applications.]]>Jun 9th 2007 7:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/I believe Sir Jobso did specify either at D or another iPhone plug that it "is OSX, just striped down so it can run on a mobile device." That isn't the exact quote, but I do believe he mentioned that and something to the effect that of course it wasn't the same visuals as OSX on traditional Macs, but that the underlying OS was still OSX and that the visual layer had been reworked. I'll look for that quote...

Mike]]>Jun 9th 2007 9:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/13800/

First quote box in the article:
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/05/steve_jobs_ipho.html

Mike]]>Jun 9th 2007 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
First, Apple never promised a complete Mac OS X. Also, there's a distinction between the OS and bundled applications."

iChat is part of OSX. It is included as part of the Operating system, like Mail and iCal.

GarageBand and iMovie are part of iLife, which although is usually bundled with the computers, is not a part of OSX.

Your point is invalid.

The iPhone not having IM features is inexcusable. IM is a very useful and basic features that all "smart" phones should have.]]>Jun 9th 2007 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Now if iChat is missing then no IMing's and SJ lied about it being a complete OSX OS."

Wrong. He didn't lie about anything. You just made a assumption. He said the iPhone runs OS X. AS in the operating system. iChat is not part of the operating system.]]>Jun 9th 2007 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
The sort of phone the iPhone is really up against is the N95 (*bias alert* i own one). another kind-of smartphone. both have wifi, display the web naturally. the key difference is input method, and i think the iphone keyboard is a risky idea that while looking futuristic will be down to individual preference. I have fat thumbs :-(.]]>Jun 9th 2007 7:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 8:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 7:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 10th 2007 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 10th 2007 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
Carmelo Lisciotto]]>Jun 9th 2007 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Apr 30th 2008 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
Thomas]]>Jun 9th 2007 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Thanks for the comment but my point was specifically about PUSH email. The iPhone will support almost all POP and IMAP protocols. Yet they are actually going beyond that with Yahoo email and instead of having "scheduled pulls" they are having Yahoo Mail "pushed" to the device. For those of us that are dependent on Blackberry and also have .Mac accounts it seems weird that Apple would not support push email of its own IMAP service.]]>Jun 9th 2007 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 8:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 8:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/No MMS,no IM...hmmm!!]]>Jun 9th 2007 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS

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The Google Maps app for Blackberry which I use now doesn't currently support GPS but I do know that Google is working on getting it included. RIM has their own mapping application that does support GPS and they've just recently released their SDKs so a third party application with GPS support can't be far away if it hasn't arrived already. This will be the same case for the iPhone assuming Apple does release the dev kits. ]]>Jun 9th 2007 1:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/Jun 9th 2007 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/09/iphone-details-uncovered-in-sales-training-workbook/
I'd bet there are a lot of Blackberry and Windows Mobile users that'd be willing to move over to the iPhone (me for example) that can't unless they start supporting Outlook. Synching contacts is good, but email and calendar is what I want. Plus, we are basically the only cell phone users used to paying hundreds for a phone.

My gen2 wishlist: 3G, GPS, MS Exchange support.]]>Jun 9th 2007 8:53AM