http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/ Engadget Comments for Apple's Safari a Windows security risk? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 6:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 7:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/perhaps you should do your homework before you make an arse of
yourself. The majority of the members of the team which created
Firefox, coded the original Safari. First. So, if you wanna get
technical about it, Firefox came from Safari. But honestly, your
comment is just silly.]]>Jun 14th 2007 4:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 6:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 7:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/]]>Jun 12th 2007 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
Safari crashed before I tried to use ANY of the features that you mentioned in your defence.But yeah those features are pretty good,but I like firefox...I dont feel the need to change...I suppose thats just personal preference.]]>Jun 12th 2007 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/"Why You'll love Safari
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12. Security
Apple engineers designed Safari to be secure from day one."

Really?]]>Jun 12th 2007 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 6:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 7:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/I have tried the Safari browser out its not bad but firefox is better.

It is so obvious there is bugs on a windows computer but not with a Mac program and it is still only 24 hours after it was announced and released.]]>Jun 12th 2007 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
Triple-click in the address bar to select all the text should also work (it always has on Mac, anyway).]]>Jun 12th 2007 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
...sometimes. Doing that gives me a sporadic mix of "can’t connect to the server" messages, "can’t open the page" errors, and occasionally the correct behaviour you describe. Also, even when it works, waiting for Safari to add them is a LOT slower - typing Google and pressing CTRL+ENTER in Firefox loads the page in an instant, typing Google and pressing enter in Safari gives a 3-5 second delay before it corrects the URL and begins loading.

So I disagree. There certainly isn't "no need" for CTRL+ENTER. They're not using it for anything else, it's a common standard millions are used to, and wouldn't add any clutter to the interface or any complexity for anyone who didn't know it was there, so why not add it?]]>Jun 12th 2007 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
I've personally never had any trouble just typing a word without "www" and ".com" either - but to be honest, autocomplete generally has me there after a couple of characters anyway, so it's not something I do regularly.]]>Jun 12th 2007 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
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Safari on the Mac is rock-solid, very fast and has great rendering. (Note: just because Safari has the best standards support, doesn't mean it's the most compatible. FireFox holds that crown, but at the expense of an astoundingly huge legacy code base and the problems that brings. I long for the days when everybody codes to web standards, it'll make life better for everyone.) It also has the best text smoothing I've seen in any browser. The internet looks pretty.

From what I've heard, the Windows beta is far from rock-solid, the jury's out on speed (some say yes, some say it's dog slow); the rendering's still great, and so's the text smoothing (quite an achievement) - but it seems some people actually prefer the internet ugly? :-/]]>Jun 12th 2007 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 2:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
Numerous crashes on WinXP resulted, does not give the advertised speed increase on the majority of daily surfing. Also some reports of security flaws which is a worry for windows users. Was this rushed out to fill a gap in the Keynote or has it some hidden agenda! Bit of a PR blunder for the normally PR savy apple! ]]>Jun 12th 2007 6:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
It's just like Safari for Mac but sucks more.]]>Jun 12th 2007 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
I'll give Safari more time to be fair, but for now it is buggier than should be expected of a public beta - crashing, hogging CPU, taking forever to load pages and failing to interact with e.g. the most popular online email (yahoo).

This one was rushed out of the dressing room without getting zipped up.

I expect the people most likely to try Safari will be Firefox users, not IE7 users, which is a shame if that fails to drop IE7's market share or make it more innovative and competitive (and please - less resource intensive).
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but seriously firefox is already there with the 'amazing new features' they're touting for safari on windows. beta or not, it blows.]]>Jun 12th 2007 7:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 7:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
Don't take this as negative, it's a beta and stuff isn't going to work right. I personally think IE7 is great, but I'm all for competition. The security issues are a concern. I know the government doesn't allow the use of QuickTime because of its security holes. Hopefully Apple will overcome these shortfalls. There willingness to take on Microsoft keeps the market fair and competition urges refinement and innovation.]]>Jun 12th 2007 7:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 14th 2007 5:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
Thanks. I guess they'll (the Apple guys) might want to make this a little more intuitive. We complain about Windows, etc..., but I've always found it more intuitive than Mac (waiting for the wave of character assasinations). thanks for the insight!]]>Jun 14th 2007 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 7:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
Though how long till we see Apple become more dominant, hackers turn their targets towards OS X and then reveal how much poorer Apple code their apps compared to Microsoft.

Time will tell.]]>Jun 12th 2007 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
As much as Apple makes fun of Windows THEY NEED IT if they ever want any of their products to be a success... If you needed an Apple to use an iPod NO ONE WOULD USE ON.

Now with the iPhone on the way and its embeded Safari browser Windows users will need to be able to use it on their computer so the "3rd Party Apps" they make for the phone will also work on a Windows computer.]]>Jun 12th 2007 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
There are a few annoying bugs which I'll let slip seeing as it's a beta, though if I can find them in 30 seconds use I don't see why Apple couldn't. You can't minimise by clicking the taskbar icon, if you minimise a maximised windows it comes back non-maximised and neither process uses Vista's "disappearing/reappearing to/from the taskbar" eye-candy.

Other annoyances are that the address bar's default action is to edit the current address instead of selecting all of it to type a new one. Nobody navigates websites by editing the address- if you click the address bar, you want to type a new one. To do this in Safari you have to click a tiny little button instead! CTRL+ENTER doesn't work, and the automatic fill-in addresses are just dumb (typing engadget tries to go to FEED://www.engadget.com, which doesn't exist, giving a "failed to open page". (Firefox puts the correct protocol, and even when the incorrect one is manually entered automatically corrects it to http://).

I don't like the interface either. The font smoothing is too much, on top of Vista's cleartype which is just fine. You can't move things around on the toolbars like you can in Firefox (Safari only lets you edit the action buttons. Firefox basically lets you move anything, such as the address bar, search box, bookmarks toolbar etc.) And why can't you resize the window from all sides?

Lastly, I just don't like the look of it. All that grey is actually pretty ugly- it's like Windows 95 with rounded corners! There's no consistency either- why does the search box have semi-circular rounded ends, but the address box is a rectangle? Why is the window title aligned centre, but everything else aligned left? Why is the title text bigger than the rest? Why are they still using old-school minimise/maximise/close buttons? How does the blue jelly-bean scrollbar go with anything?!]]>Jun 12th 2007 8:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/
Seriously.

If you look at the behavior, it is acting like a Mac application on a Mac. I guess the thinking is that Safari for Windows should act as close to Safari for Mac as possible. Personally I think that is a gross assumption to make because you are forcing someone unfamiliar with the Macintosh platform to understand that it will behave differently, but there you go.]]>Jun 14th 2007 5:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/12/apples-safari-a-windows-security-risk/Jun 12th 2007 8:52AM