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The French are being smart.]]>Jun 20th 2007 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
Spies will spy on everything and we just had a few years ago the Echelon scandal.]]>Jun 20th 2007 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 12:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
The warrantless wiretapping was only endorsed by the justice deptartment for INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATIONS. I'm not sure, but I beleive that leaves a significant portion of "all electronic communications" on the table. For example, all transactions within the United States would not be included in INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATIONS, would it?


Being dishonest does not make you clever or smart. It makes you a dishonest person.]]>Jun 20th 2007 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 9:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spy]]>Jun 20th 2007 8:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 8:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
Exchange belongs to each organization, your internal communication stays in your org, it doesn't go through a central data center. ]]>Jun 20th 2007 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 11:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/It's getting a bit tired that each time France takes a decision (especially if it's to distant itself from an American company), it has to be seen as a joke. RIM might say thir servers are secure but it might well be marketing. Were they to say they're not, RIM wouldn't do any business anymore.
Are we gonna take a Yankee companies word for it?

Naaa.... ]]>Jun 20th 2007 9:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 9:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
Good of them to stand their ground. Like they have all thru history...

zing!]]>Jun 20th 2007 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Sources:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6221146.stm
http://www.liberation.fr/actualite/instantanes/histoiredujour/262358.FR.php?rss=true

Moreover, I agreed with Bender on this: the Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt of this world probably don't send over sensitive data or information through uncrypted blackberries, it's probably a good thing to warn non-technology-inclined policy-makers about this.]]>Jun 20th 2007 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/24/business/berry.php]]>Jun 20th 2007 9:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
How stupid it is from you to manage to do some french bashing out of it. Sensitives manufacturers like nuclear powerplant builder, airplanes industry, military industry are most of the time backed up by their government ... ]]>Jun 20th 2007 9:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
And you're really trying to frame this French-bashing as unreasonable paranoia when it's a short leap to believe that the CIA might also be able to monitor data communications or cameras on the very same devices?

What makes Blackberry services any more spy-proof than any other cell phone? Would the Mafioso's have been safe if they would have used Pearls instead?

Is there any editorial integrity at all here? *Click* (RSS Unsubscribe) Maybe I should just stick to Wired or some publication that's held to _some_ sort of standard. Maybe even has an ombudsman or two.]]>Jun 20th 2007 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1357264.stm then I wonder how far its gone by now. BTW, I'm not french ;)]]>Jun 20th 2007 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
One the other hand, those of you who think the French are not worth spying on, think again. Where do you think many of the enemies of the US get some of their most sophisticated weapons? The French goverment is in bed with some very nasty sorts around the globe, and it is definately worth knowing about.]]>Jun 20th 2007 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
Lemme tell y'all - if Rimm was a Frog company and George Bush's missives and stupid jokes were streaming through a data center somewhere on the outskirts of Lyon, Sean Hannity would stain his tighty whities.

Also, last time I looked, France was still one of the world's most powerful economies, nuclear nation, leader in the EC, etc. You enlightened cats who say things like 'duuuuhhhh, who would want to spy on France?' surely never leave your basements in suburban Little Rock.

Here's my cheek. Bitch slap it.]]>Jun 20th 2007 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

france a major nuclear force, ha! russia and the u.s. thats it! frances economy is based on tourism, they do not have good ideas anymore(remember napoleon, he was the last good idea, allies have been cleaning up their bad ideas since), so they dont have a 'think' economy, who the hell would care what they have on a pda. my advice for them is to paint the eiffel tower another color so the world cares to speak of them and care they still exist]]>Jun 20th 2007 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
Take these companies: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/countries/F.html

- AXA: world's biggest insurer
- Carrefour: Biggest retailer
- Two of the world's biggest banks
- Huge defense (air liquide, Dassault)
- Vivendi Universal
- Meetic - biggest Internet startup in Europe

I dunno.. they seem to be 'thinkin'' to me.]]>Jun 20th 2007 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
1. The spying the gov is afraid of is economic of course: multi-billion euro A-380 contracts and such. A huge amount of ressources of spying ressources are spent on industrial spying these days.
2. The concern is legitimate: the data is transiting (unencrypted I guess) by a private company's servers, outside of french juristiction.
3. About "being cleared by NATO"… do you really thing that a national army (of any country part of NATO) would trust a canadian private company for the sensitive communications of it's generals? Of course not.

What a silly post.]]>Jun 20th 2007 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/the french need to accept they are a non-entity on the world stage, this spying story must just be a ploy to remind the world they still exist, and to boost the tourism dollar]]>Jun 20th 2007 11:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
Monitor my email and my 1800 contacts receipts... woopdi do

Just when i thought the French got some sense knocked into them (electing sarkovsky) they go ahead and do some dumb shit like this....]]>Jun 20th 2007 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/
For those who didn't get it, the gvt fears that economical - and to a lesser extent political - information get in the wild.]]>Jun 20th 2007 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/Jun 20th 2007 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/french-government-bans-blackberry-fears-us-and-uk-spying/"Industrial espionage or corporate espionage is espionage conducted for commercial purposes instead of national security purposes.

The term is distinct from legal and ethical activities such as examining corporate publications, websites, patent filings, and the like to determine the activities of a corporation (this is normally referred to as competitive intelligence). Instead, it describes unethical or illegal activities such as theft of trade secrets, bribery, blackmail, technological surveillance and even occasional violence. As well as spying on commercial organizations, governments can also be targets of commercial espionage—for example, to determine the terms of a tender for a government contract so that another tenderer can underbid.

Industrial espionage is most commonly associated with technology-heavy industries, particularly the computer and automobile sectors."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage]]>Jun 20th 2007 11:37AM