I had Treo, now have WM6 TyTn. Treo was a nice device, but had its problems (Palm OS is fantastic, very light and useful - but completely outdated now). Windows Mobile is just a fucking disaster (as most MSFT crapware is) - slow, still buggy, almost no UI improvements. Also I've tried Nokia E70 - and that was horrible, you press "call" button, you wait 3 (!) seconds, it starts calling.
I don't remember Apple advertising it as smartfone. They quite clearly position it as phone-ipod-internet device, which is not smartfone. In fact, it's you, "tech blog" (whatever that is) writers hyped it up as a smartfone.
And from the flicks I've seen, that built-in Safari thing seems waaay better than piece-of-shit Pocket IE.
Modern smartphones' UI sucks big time, maybe Apple at least will teach them a lesson with better one.
iPod part sucks horribly though - I don't feel like buying adapter (9$, yes, but you will lose it next day, as it happens to adapters) to plug my headphones into something which is advertised as "best iPod". How it's best when you event cannot plug in proper headphones?
I work on Macs and like them (was 8 or so years on Windows/Linux before). But I'm not going to buy me iPhone (anyway, it's N/A in Europe :)). Maybe 2nd generation, when they sort things out and produce unlocked version.
Buy one for yourself, cheapo. Who gives a fig about wallchargers. The iPhone battery is rumored to run for month while playing videos, music and talking all at once from one charging. When the battery runs down, throw it away and get another iPhone. Think of it as a disposable iPhone. That's the way to keep the economy flowing.
If anyone missed, PC World is running a professional version of Engadget's "we're close to being almost able to prepare to upload some pictures!" entry. :)
Wow, amongst all the dumbass posters here today, and the preceding days bashing the iPhone, or insulting Apple fans, you win the prize for biggest moron. Good for you, moron.
first of all, apple and Jobs and many reviewers (from the US of course) have strongly said and advertised the iPhone as a smartphone. Which it's not.
second, about apples, yep, they are cool.. the lack of applications and the only recent introduction of a right clicking mouse were turn-offs. it's basically just posix with a sleek interface and cool hardware design. also true is the fact that all models before intel had some stupid bottlenecks in there...
to talk about phones again... winmo is dreadful.. i had 2 htc's including the universal, and windows isn't even ready to run on a vga screen, everything remains huge and fills the screen. so i've become a s60 faithful...
i now have and enjoy an E70. that speed problem was indeed a major source of nasty words, but it got fast after some firmware upgrades... now i'm extremely content with it, love the keyboard, and will maybe in 6 months or a year change it for whatever will be cool... maybe even the iPhone 2.0
but this one, this is really the most hyped but over-stated electronics device ever. not bad, but not good either..
just read its manual... it features info about what to do when it crashes/freezes... very cool.. for a non-smartphone to crash and freeze... come on, you're not microsoft!!..
It crashes and freezes when you try to run (oh, no!) these infidel 3rd-party softwares! :-)
But seriously - welcome to Apple's QA Club! You never buy 1st-gen hardware from Apple - it is usually fucked up and sorted only in second or third revision.
Everyone loves beta-testers, who pay for being a tester, look at video games industry for example.
funny that you mentioned games.. i worked as a beta-tester for ubisoft... they paid me to test games, they even took me to chicago, amsterdam and paris...
and apple.. hehe i know that all too well, though I'm from europe too...
Yep, I know it runs AJAXy pages and stuff, which is THE PLATFORM for iPhone apps (not a fan of this idea).
Just remembered The Steve talking about 3rd-party apps taking down entire GSM network (yeah, right) - working in telecom, this made me laugh.
As for games - yes, there are paid beta-testers of course, but most publishers just print RC-level versions of games and rush them to market these days. And then patch away (and abandon support after couple of patches).
Yep, I know it runs AJAXy pages and stuff, which is THE PLATFORM for iPhone apps (not a fan of this idea).
Just remembered The Steve talking about 3rd-party apps taking down entire GSM network (yeah, right) - working in telecom, this made me laugh.
As for games - yes, there are paid beta-testers of course, but most publishers just print RC-level versions of games and rush them to market these days. And then patch away (and abandon support after couple of patches).
as teh Jobs said, '3rd party applications run in sadnboxed mode in safari's engine' ... that means they can't save stuff to the phone and can't access any hardware resource, right?...
i'd really love to see a guitar tuner or a sound monitoring program or a photo editor that can save...
y are u complaining im in jamaica, at least ur attached to the US, it may be another 3yr before we see a usable iphone.. well atleast we have the curve to play with for a while
Seriously you do not WANT the Indians buying the iPhone yet.
If the 0.5% of the Indian population you mentioned gets excited about these iPhones the widget makers and other software toolmakers that are making a living in the US will be driven jobless.
BTW, I thought the 0.5% of the Indians do LIVE in the Bay Area where many work at Apple. They are getting their iPhones for FREE !
If I remember correctly, didn't the FCC (FTC?) recently pass a law requiring all GSM providers to provide unlock codes for handsets upon the owners request?
Traditionally a provider offers a handset at a subsidized price, if you sign up for the service at the time of purchase. Apple/ATT are not offering a subsidy on the iPhone.
In theory, couldn't you purchase an iPhone, contact ATT for the legally required unlock code, unlock it, then use it on any other GSM network? (T-Mobile, International GSM carriers, etc...)
Anybody else have more information regarding this law/statute of required unlock codes?
anybody notice how the battery went down by like 50% during the photo shoot? The Google maps screen shows 100% battery and then during the activation pics it's almost 50%.
hey chris, dude so sorry you dont know maths or for that matter know how to use the internet properly but as sid pointed out 0.5 % of Indian population of 1.12 billion would be 6 million but correct me if i am wrong isnt cupertino's population 50,546(2000). wow that will mean each person producing 1187 babies in 7 years and everyone buying an iphone. sure wish steve was reading this maybe the next gen ipod will be in India first.
hey chris, dude sorry you dont know maths or for that matter know how to use the internet properly but as sid pointed out 0.5 % of Indian population of 1.12 billion would be 6 million but correct me if i am wrong isnt cupertino's population 50,546(2000). wow that will mean each person producing 1187 babies in 7 years and everyone buying an iphone. sure wish steve was reading this maybe the next gen ipod will be in India first.
I just activated, as a current customer using my current number, and Itunes said "Your activation requires additional time to complete". Has anyone else gotten this? The message says that an email will be sent once the activation completes. It has been almost 2 hours and still no email. Tried calling ATT, but they said they didn't have an answer and I should just wait. My old SIM card no longer works....... Thoughts? Similar experience?
I have a serious question about my iPhone - I am waiting for ATT to transfer my number from Verizon and activate it (it said 24 hours!) - in the meantime, is it normal before activation to say "no service" in the signal strength? I am worried our apartment is in a dead spot! We live right near the Beltway in Alexandria VA so this doesn't make sense.
iPhone iWant!! Basically, I want to see how the keyboard stacks up to heavy use (around 70% of time on my smartphone is spent typing).. if the keyboard stacks up, this would be one sweet gadget.
Reader Comments (Page 3 of 4)
Grmbl @ Jun 29th 2007 7:23PM
Hey, take it easy.
I had Treo, now have WM6 TyTn. Treo was a nice device, but had its problems (Palm OS is fantastic, very light and useful - but completely outdated now). Windows Mobile is just a fucking disaster (as most MSFT crapware is) - slow, still buggy, almost no UI improvements. Also I've tried Nokia E70 - and that was horrible, you press "call" button, you wait 3 (!) seconds, it starts calling.
I don't remember Apple advertising it as smartfone. They quite clearly position it as phone-ipod-internet device, which is not smartfone. In fact, it's you, "tech blog" (whatever that is) writers hyped it up as a smartfone.
And from the flicks I've seen, that built-in Safari thing seems waaay better than piece-of-shit Pocket IE.
Modern smartphones' UI sucks big time, maybe Apple at least will teach them a lesson with better one.
iPod part sucks horribly though - I don't feel like buying adapter (9$, yes, but you will lose it next day, as it happens to adapters) to plug my headphones into something which is advertised as "best iPod". How it's best when you event cannot plug in proper headphones?
I work on Macs and like them (was 8 or so years on Windows/Linux before). But I'm not going to buy me iPhone (anyway, it's N/A in Europe :)). Maybe 2nd generation, when they sort things out and produce unlocked version.
Brent @ Jun 29th 2007 7:25PM
Can you take a few more dozen pictures of the wall charger, please?
I.M. Yerpappy @ Jun 29th 2007 7:41PM
Buy one for yourself, cheapo. Who gives a fig about wallchargers. The iPhone battery is rumored to run for month while playing videos, music and talking all at once from one charging. When the battery runs down, throw it away and get another iPhone. Think of it as a disposable iPhone. That's the way to keep the economy flowing.
Brent @ Jun 30th 2007 3:06PM
Great sense of humor you got there, Yerpappy. *rolls eyes*
peshue @ Jun 29th 2007 7:26PM
Amazing, it looks exactly the same as it did in the zillions of other pictures! Except with more fingerprints.
Constable Odo @ Jun 29th 2007 7:30PM
Just remember that all these people have sweaty fingers because they're so nervous and excited about touching their dream device.
Grmbl @ Jun 29th 2007 7:29PM
If anyone missed, PC World is running a professional version of Engadget's "we're close to being almost able to prepare to upload some pictures!" entry. :)
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/004786.html
Tom @ Jun 29th 2007 7:30PM
they've already flooded ebay! some fool's willing to pay over $3000 for one!
Kryz @ Jun 29th 2007 7:30PM
Anyone want to buy?
http://cgi.ebay.com/8GB-Apple-iPhone-BRAND-NEW-SEALED-ON-HAND-W-RECEIPT_W0QQitemZ190127537712QQihZ009QQcategoryZ64355QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320132747744&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX&refitem=190127537712&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget
http://cgi.ebay.com/APPLE-iPHONE-PDA-Brand-NEW-Actual-Phone-8GB-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ220126464429QQihZ012QQcategoryZ94930QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
First item finished already, so you've got to be quick!
KZ91 @ Jun 29th 2007 7:31PM
Can we get that photo of it compared to other phones maybe a psp, and ipod anything?1?
Fred @ Jun 29th 2007 7:31PM
Wow, amongst all the dumbass posters here today, and the preceding days bashing the iPhone, or insulting Apple fans, you win the prize for biggest moron. Good for you, moron.
andi @ Jun 29th 2007 7:31PM
ey grmbl: nice change of heart!
first of all, apple and Jobs and many reviewers (from the US of course) have strongly said and advertised the iPhone as a smartphone. Which it's not.
second, about apples, yep, they are cool.. the lack of applications and the only recent introduction of a right clicking mouse were turn-offs. it's basically just posix with a sleek interface and cool hardware design. also true is the fact that all models before intel had some stupid bottlenecks in there...
to talk about phones again... winmo is dreadful.. i had 2 htc's including the universal, and windows isn't even ready to run on a vga screen, everything remains huge and fills the screen. so i've become a s60 faithful...
i now have and enjoy an E70. that speed problem was indeed a major source of nasty words, but it got fast after some firmware upgrades... now i'm extremely content with it, love the keyboard, and will maybe in 6 months or a year change it for whatever will be cool... maybe even the iPhone 2.0
but this one, this is really the most hyped but over-stated electronics device ever. not bad, but not good either..
omer @ Jun 29th 2007 7:32PM
i wish there were more live bloging..
its 1:40 here in Israel and im lovin it !
sid nangia @ Jun 29th 2007 7:36PM
you really think there are 6 million (0.5% of pop. of india) iphone buyers just in cupertino...
anyways i want one
ThePete @ Jun 29th 2007 7:37PM
BAH!
Here are the pics TRUE iPod fans have been waiting for!
http://flickr.com/photos/thepete/663402537/
Grmbl @ Jun 29th 2007 7:40PM
Man, I love you!
You made my day. Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. :)
Cornelius @ Jun 29th 2007 7:38PM
so...if i say hello to the iPhone, can i finally say goodbye to articles on it?
geez...please end this hype and press machine already. its a phone. get over it.
-Corn
Mattso @ Jun 29th 2007 7:39PM
We all know what it looks like. It's sexy. What we really need is impressions of... well... everything else.
Camperton @ Jun 29th 2007 7:40PM
you want to see finger prints? you should see my Blackberry Pearl.
EL_RIEL @ Jun 29th 2007 7:41PM
LOL!! this is amazing!
ok.. enough..
anding on earth...back to reality.. Im in mexico and I have no way to get an iPhone .. =(
@Brent:
ROFL!
Chuck @ Jun 29th 2007 7:44PM
And I see fingerprints already in photo 4 or 5
andi @ Jun 29th 2007 7:45PM
just read its manual... it features info about what to do when it crashes/freezes... very cool.. for a non-smartphone to crash and freeze... come on, you're not microsoft!!..
Grmbl @ Jun 29th 2007 7:50PM
It crashes and freezes when you try to run (oh, no!) these infidel 3rd-party softwares! :-)
But seriously - welcome to Apple's QA Club! You never buy 1st-gen hardware from Apple - it is usually fucked up and sorted only in second or third revision.
Everyone loves beta-testers, who pay for being a tester, look at video games industry for example.
andi @ Jun 29th 2007 7:53PM
it has only 3rd party scripts, no apps...
funny that you mentioned games.. i worked as a beta-tester for ubisoft... they paid me to test games, they even took me to chicago, amsterdam and paris...
and apple.. hehe i know that all too well, though I'm from europe too...
good nite for now, my job's done for tonight
Grmbl @ Jun 29th 2007 8:12PM
Yep, I know it runs AJAXy pages and stuff, which is THE PLATFORM for iPhone apps (not a fan of this idea).
Just remembered The Steve talking about 3rd-party apps taking down entire GSM network (yeah, right) - working in telecom, this made me laugh.
As for games - yes, there are paid beta-testers of course, but most publishers just print RC-level versions of games and rush them to market these days. And then patch away (and abandon support after couple of patches).
Take care, sleep well. :)
Grmbl @ Jun 29th 2007 8:12PM
Yep, I know it runs AJAXy pages and stuff, which is THE PLATFORM for iPhone apps (not a fan of this idea).
Just remembered The Steve talking about 3rd-party apps taking down entire GSM network (yeah, right) - working in telecom, this made me laugh.
As for games - yes, there are paid beta-testers of course, but most publishers just print RC-level versions of games and rush them to market these days. And then patch away (and abandon support after couple of patches).
Take care, sleep well. :)
andi @ Jun 30th 2007 6:29AM
as teh Jobs said, '3rd party applications run in sadnboxed mode in safari's engine' ... that means they can't save stuff to the phone and can't access any hardware resource, right?...
i'd really love to see a guitar tuner or a sound monitoring program or a photo editor that can save...
fli @ Jun 29th 2007 7:47PM
the iphone my possibly be the most iconic gadget of our generation. a post once held buy the ipod. How u luv em apples?
fli @ Jun 29th 2007 7:50PM
y are u complaining im in jamaica, at least ur attached to the US, it may be another 3yr before we see a usable iphone..
well atleast we have the curve to play with for a while
Camperton @ Jun 29th 2007 7:50PM
your sir, are an idiot.
HaX80r @ Jun 29th 2007 7:50PM
Oooh! New stuff!
ScOObyDoo @ Jun 29th 2007 7:55PM
Instead of a lame photoshoot of the damn box, please just stick a t-mobile sim in it and tell us just how locked it really is.
Sidvicious @ Jun 29th 2007 8:00PM
Seriously you do not WANT the Indians buying the iPhone yet.
If the 0.5% of the Indian population you mentioned gets excited about these iPhones the widget makers and other software toolmakers that are making a living in the US will be driven jobless.
BTW, I thought the 0.5% of the Indians do LIVE in the Bay Area where many work at Apple. They are getting their iPhones for FREE !
Bhaas2 @ Jun 29th 2007 8:03PM
If I remember correctly, didn't the FCC (FTC?) recently pass a law requiring all GSM providers to provide unlock codes for handsets upon the owners request?
Traditionally a provider offers a handset at a subsidized price, if you sign up for the service at the time of purchase. Apple/ATT are not offering a subsidy on the iPhone.
In theory, couldn't you purchase an iPhone, contact ATT for the legally required unlock code, unlock it, then use it on any other GSM network? (T-Mobile, International GSM carriers, etc...)
Anybody else have more information regarding this law/statute of required unlock codes?
John @ Jun 29th 2007 8:06PM
anybody notice how the battery went down by like 50% during the photo shoot? The Google maps screen shows 100% battery and then during the activation pics it's almost 50%.
Hernan Paredes @ Jun 29th 2007 8:10PM
bro got one here in aventura mall. Line was about 300 people. This thing is selling like hot cakes.
kingofwale @ Jun 29th 2007 8:11PM
looks good from the first look, but the functionality will be the big question mark, especially with the batterylife and the keyboard.
kingofwale @ Jun 29th 2007 8:11PM
sorry double post!
aakaash @ Jun 29th 2007 8:14PM
hey chris,
dude so sorry you dont know maths or for that matter know how to use the internet properly but as sid pointed out 0.5 % of Indian population of 1.12 billion would be 6 million but correct me if i am wrong isnt cupertino's population 50,546(2000). wow that will mean each person producing 1187 babies in 7 years and everyone buying an iphone. sure wish steve was reading this maybe the next gen ipod will be in India first.
Roflgoat @ Jun 29th 2007 8:19PM
It's smudged already...Wow.
aakaash @ Jun 29th 2007 8:25PM
hey chris,
dude sorry you dont know maths or for that matter know how to use the internet properly but as sid pointed out 0.5 % of Indian population of 1.12 billion would be 6 million but correct me if i am wrong isnt cupertino's population 50,546(2000). wow that will mean each person producing 1187 babies in 7 years and everyone buying an iphone. sure wish steve was reading this maybe the next gen ipod will be in India first.
gregs @ Jun 29th 2007 8:25PM
looks really good
Terd @ Jun 29th 2007 8:31PM
I eat apples for breakfast...
FermitTheKrog @ Jun 29th 2007 8:33PM
I will stick with my iTwoCans with string network interface thank you very much
ScOObyDoo @ Jun 29th 2007 8:49PM
HA!
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305720
RichB @ Jun 29th 2007 8:55PM
I just activated, as a current customer using my current number, and Itunes said "Your activation requires additional time to complete". Has anyone else gotten this? The message says that an email will be sent once the activation completes. It has been almost 2 hours and still no email. Tried calling ATT, but they said they didn't have an answer and I should just wait. My old SIM card no longer works....... Thoughts? Similar experience?
thak @ Jun 29th 2007 8:56PM
dude...your nails are filthy!!! oh and whats an iphone?
j-dog @ Jun 29th 2007 9:02PM
I have a serious question about my iPhone - I am waiting for ATT to transfer my number from Verizon and activate it (it said 24 hours!) - in the meantime, is it normal before activation to say "no service" in the signal strength? I am worried our apartment is in a dead spot! We live right near the Beltway in Alexandria VA so this doesn't make sense.
Vineet Dixit @ Jun 29th 2007 9:04PM
I just had an immense nerd-gasm...
slice39 @ Jun 29th 2007 9:07PM
iPhone iWant!! Basically, I want to see how the keyboard stacks up to heavy use (around 70% of time on my smartphone is spent typing).. if the keyboard stacks up, this would be one sweet gadget.