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And what? This means that every BD standalone would have out of this planet attach rate… LOL

Get used to it HD DVD … you are going to lose this war.
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I am not saying that Blu-ray won't win this war, but your comment on basing it off the PS3 is pretty ignorant. Read the articles on this site (or on 1up, ign, or gamepro) to see how bad Sony is doing right now.]]>Jul 18th 2007 3:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 18th 2007 3:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 18th 2007 4:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
But, having sold more than 3.5 millions worldwide, 1.5 of those in the US,
even if you counted only a 20% of them as Blu-Ray players, it will outsold the HD-DVD.
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1.5 x .2 is 300k this says there are 180k hd dvd players plus the 155k hd dvd add ons for the xbox 360 that can only be used to watch movies..

180 + 155 is 335,00

last i checked 335 is higher and it is going to get even higher]]>Jul 18th 2007 5:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
Just give us the actual sales numbers of every disc, player and console sold YTD, and WE will decide who's winning the format war!]]>Jul 18th 2007 5:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
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Wake up BD fanboys, HD-DVD isn't going anywhere. It's starting to look more and more like neither format will "win" and we'll have both formats coexisting for quite a while. Bring on the true hybrid players and/or completely neutral studios.]]>Jul 18th 2007 8:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 18th 2007 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 18th 2007 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 18th 2007 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 18th 2007 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 18th 2007 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
The peak A/V mux rate for HD DVD is 30Mb/s.

The peak A/V mux rate for Blu-ray is 48Mb/s(40Mb/s for video).

(pirating spam is expected, it seems to be the only downside people come up with for Blu-ray)

Though it wasn't really ready and had to rush to market, the PS3 will be better than the XBOX360.

I'll use Unreal tournament 3 as an example. On the PS3 you pay nothing for add-ons and you can also use Mods on the PS3 version, something you can't do with the XBOX360 and the things you can do, you'll be paying for from the Marketplace.

I use my PS3 mostly for movies, since I have a gaming PC that does alot more. I do own both the XBOX360 and the PS3, and like many am well aware that though the 360 can be used to watch movies the fans are like a jet engine compared to the PS3.

So, feel free to dismiss the PS3, but it's already history that it has turned the tide on this format war and it IS making a Huge difference.

As time moves forward and different companies that have been dialing in their Software development kits for the PS3 improve you will only see more, and better games coming out.

It's no mystery to techies why the 360 is easy to code for..its so similar to a PC, whereas the PS3 has the Cell processor which is like Alien tech compared to whats been out to create apps on a mass level in the last few years.

So yes, it's easy to insult the PS3 NOW, but Time is not on HD DVD or the 360s side in this case.

Keep in mind also, the reason the 360 was adopted at such high levels in the first year it was released is beacause MS totally dropped support for the old XBOX, mush like they do on Windows software.

Through August there are 12+ new releases for the PS2, and NONE for the XBOX.

XBOX customer "I need to uprade to a 360"

PS2 customer "Which Game should I buy this month?"


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There's a reported 4:1 attach rate advantage for HD-DVD due to most PS3 owners not buying BR movies. 80k x 4 = 320k BD players needed in the same period of time. PS3 was selling about 80k/mon or 240k units in that same period. Looks like HD-DVD made headway in stand-alone market penetration.

People must not forget that game consoles have a life cycle. They sell like mad when they are released and then decline until a price drop or highly anticipated title causes a sales spike. This means that the PS3 effect is HUGE at the get-go, but will become less important as time passes. The attach rate for PS3's just accelerates this degradation of importance.]]>Jul 19th 2007 3:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
The buying process is drived by the mass market and they love blog busters ( and in this domain, bluray is packed full of it...and exclusively for most ), and by the kids . Just look at amazon, and you will understand this point...Go to both format, click Kids and family, and compare... The bluray amount of mass appealing movies for family and kids crush the hd-dvd. And just imagine what will happend after the bluray tour of disney...presenting all those beautifull pixar billion seller movies to those tender eyes... :
" mom i want NEMO now "
" but we have a HDDVD..."
" I dont care this...i want NEMO "

This will be an amazing weight on BR side...

If you had Apple, wich also appeal to mass market, much more than computer freeks...you got a winner.

They are slower than HDdvd to come with price drops and offers, but what they will offer soon ( when apple and disney will wake up ) is a killer machine...

And universal will hardly compete, and will probably have to align.

I am no fanboy, and will not plan to buy neither formats, but i am witnessing everything from asia, and here, the hddvd is almost non existant in the stores...except HMV. Even toshiba is not selling HD players yet, while sony and samsung are feeding people with High def BR on giant screens ( china, thailand and malaysia at least )

The only REAL strong point on the hddvd side is THE PRICE...and this is a major factor to sell hardware...so wait and see. ]]>Jul 19th 2007 4:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
Money talks...the savings for me...the profits for the studios.]]>Jul 19th 2007 4:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
Then again, Disney can change their mind, but from what they communicate about the format war...they are strictly following BR...and are actualy chairman of the BDA, so it is unlikely to change anytime soon ( like apple )

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Then again, Disney can change their mind, but from what they communicate about the format war...they are strictly following BR...and are actualy chairman of the BDA, so it is unlikely to change anytime soon ( like apple )

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Then again, Disney can change their mind, but from what they communicate about the format war...they are strictly following BR...and are actualy chairman of the BDA, so it is unlikely to change anytime soon ( like apple )

]]>Jul 19th 2007 5:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
But with a dvd copy of nemo..there is no need to replace unless you want a nicer picture...sure 20 and 30 and 50 yr olds can't wait to upgrade to HD Star Wars but the 5 year old doesn't care how many lines nemo has, just how often they can watch and dvd does that fine.

Sony even supported VHS when it was time...so yes Disney will support HD DVD when its too profitable to ignore.]]>Jul 20th 2007 6:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
Then again, Disney can change their mind, but from what they communicate about the format war...they are strictly following BR...and are actualy chairman of the BDA, so it is unlikely to change anytime soon ( like apple )]]>Jul 19th 2007 5:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 19th 2007 7:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Jul 19th 2007 8:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
In no way shape or form am I a sony / gamer fanboy, but I favor blu-ray hands down.]]>Jul 19th 2007 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
Here let me just list a couple of things here so we can see what exactly that Blu-Ray superiority gives us? Cause I sure don't see it.

The HD DVD COMBO features the following special features:
BLUESCREEN PICTURE-IN-PICTURE VERSION: Director Zack Snyder Compares the Pre-CGI-Enhanced Version to the Finished Film
ADDITIONAL SCENES of the Traitorous Hunchback and Never-Before-Seen Giant Warriors [in High Definition]
FRANK MILLER's Vision Realized on Film [in High Definition]
300 SPARTANS - FACT OR FICTION?: The Shocking Life of a Spartan Revealed [in High Definition]
WHO WERE THE SPARTANS?: How the Actors Built Their Characters Based on Spartan Customs [in High Definition]
WEBISODES: Go on Set with the Cast and Crew
Exclusive to HD DVD Game Vengeance and Valor: Lead More Spartan Warriors into Battle Against Xerxes' Forces and Test Your Combat-Hardened Knowledge of Tactics and Strategy
PICK YOUR FAVORITE SCENES: Assemble Your Favorite Clips and Create Your Own Montage
WEB-ENABLED FEATURES: Cool Mobile Downloads


The Blu-ray disc features the following special features:
ADDITIONAL SCENES of the Traitorous Hunchback and Never-Before-Seen Giant Warriors [in High Definition]
FRANK MILLER's Vision Realized on Film [in High Definition]
300 SPARTANS - FACT OR FICTION?: The Shocking Life of a Spartan Revealed [in High Definition]
WHO WERE THE SPARTANS?: How the Actors Built Their Characters Based on Spartan Customs [in High Definition]
WEBISODES: Go on Set with the Cast and Crew
COMMENTARY by Director Zack Snyder - and MORE!
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Money is why it will sell more and money will bring the movie studios]]>Jul 20th 2007 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
Piracy.

Sony Hate.

It's funny that though Toshiba and microsoft are also seen as Megacorps with no soul and no caring for the common person, HD DVD fanatics seem to just forget that these people are behind HD DVD and that they are just as money hungry as Sony, who, though certainly a key player in the BDA, is in no way "In control" of the BDA.

As regards Stand-Alone players, it could be easily argued that since HD DVD is the cheaper of the HD formats it is the one sold to people looking to replace their DVD player that really have NO intention of buying HD content.

So, how many of those HD DVD Players are just bought as upconverting or replacement DVD players that can't be counted much like the PS3 can't be counted?

"Eligio J Rosa @ Jul 18th 2007 10:13PM Said:
The PS3 is not exactly a Blu-ray Player, is a game system that play Blue-rays."

WOW!

The PS3 is a Blu-ray player....and more.

I used it to Browse the Web and get info when my computer monitor went out. It's Way more than just a Game console, or just a Blu-ray player.
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Try MONEY..the HD DVD players are cheaper...and joe 6 pack likes to save money.]]>Jul 20th 2007 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
That Doesn't mean it isn't the superior format, just that Dev kits for studios to do things you see on HD DVD aren't there for Blu-ray yet.

This is because HD DVD is based on XML and Blu-ray is based on a packaged media profile of Globally Executable MHP, or GEM.

HD DVDs is just far more common, with far more programmers that can tweak it. So yes, it will take a bit longer, much like PS3 Game Dev kits due to the Cell Processor.

That doesn't make HD DVDs lesser storage and bandwidth better, except right now.

So I guess, if you want the Best, and you can't wait, you should buy HD DVD now, and then Blu-ray when it's done in a few more months.


]]>Jul 19th 2007 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/Fair Use does NOT equate to piracy, no matter how you want to spin it.

Do I want to be able to store my media on my PC or iPod or Archos? Yes. Does that equal piracy? No.]]>Jul 20th 2007 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/18/hd-dvd-touts-sales-growth-over-blu-rays-decline/
I know more than one person that does this and I don't know anyone that only copies them to have a personal back-up in case something happens to the original.

So maybe you know those Idyllic people who only copy them to have a personal back-up to protect their investment, but I don't.

In the future digital copies that are somehow secure but can be moved around like you want may become posssible and certainly will be viable as a sellable product when that happens, but right now, that's just not the case, and I understand why companies that Can't have that security in their Multi-million dollar products don't want to let a Far less secure Model out till they do get a secure one.]]>Jul 20th 2007 7:42PM