http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
And besides, I'm sure that anyone with an interest in breaking into these locks knows this already. When we know about it, then we can prepare ourselves to defend against it.]]>Jul 19th 2007 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/besides, malicious users are usually on the forefront of these types of things.]]>Jul 19th 2007 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
I honestly believe the things Marc writes about thieves most likely already know and I thank its great he exposes the reality. Do you honestly believe any of these lock manufacturers are going to come out and say this stuff? I doubt it.]]>Jul 19th 2007 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Aug 21st 2007 10:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/most people don't understand locks, but when you do, you realize they are pretty simple beasts.
anyone with enough patience and the right tools can pick a simple tumbler lock.]]>Jul 19th 2007 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/most people don't understand locks, but when you do, you realize they are pretty simple beasts.
anyone with enough patience and the right tools can pick a simple tumbler lock.]]>Jul 19th 2007 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
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Cylendar locks are 100% pickable 98% of the time.]]>Jul 19th 2007 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
If my memory doesn't fail me, Protec has something like 2 billion combinations. I wonder if your lifetime would be sufficient to pick that one... I mean even if you _would_ somehow have the appropriate tool.


PS. Medeco - the most innovative and secure lock designs of this century? Their top-of-the-line key is still a basic key with notches n'all! Pfft. Compare to Abloy Classic (which came ), Exec and Protec...]]>Jul 20th 2007 3:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
I ment to add that the Abloy Classic came in around the beginnings of the last century (~1910) and it was, even then, un-bumpable (what a word :P) and a bitch to pick. So I guess the real innovation comes from Finland. ;)]]>Jul 20th 2007 3:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
In my opinion at least.]]>Jul 20th 2007 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
And yes, Classic is possible to circumvent AFAIK, but that's past the point. Classic is from 1910ish (that's 100 years old technology!), Protec is of today hence Protec is the one you are competing with or Exec, at minimum.]]>Jul 23rd 2007 1:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 23rd 2007 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Then there is, of course, the infamous luck factor. If somehow you could get to picking action and with some streak of wild luck you'd snap the lock open, to actually consider it pickable you should be able to perform consistently, picking the lock at will.

Hence, I'm not considering the Abloy Protec as _pickable_. In theory, yes; it is possible to pick any lock but the deal is completely different to a real person. (At least to my knowledge, since I still haven't seen any real evidence of Protec being picked.)]]>Jul 24th 2007 2:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 31st 2007 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Aug 1st 2007 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Aug 2nd 2007 8:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
So i was going to run off and buy a medeco lock. But then my buddy looked at my front door, looked at me, looked at the BIG GLASS PANEL in the stupid door and said, "hey, can't they just break the glass and unlock it from the inside?"

the point is, there is ALWAYS a way around things. Just ask ol prez bushy.]]>Jul 19th 2007 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/but thats ok

thieves broke thru a back window, bypassing any locks

-> get motion detectors, & an alarm co /police.
+ insurance.]]>Jul 19th 2007 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
and yep...there's always another way]]>Jul 19th 2007 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
Ray's point is pretty clearly not that the vulnerability of the glass is a good thing, it's that a vulnerable lock is much worse. If they turn the lock, and especially if they do it without damaging the tumblers, then you may not even be able to prove to your insurance company there was a burglary.

Eventually, it comes down to the fact that a sufficiently determined thief can get at ANYTHING, even if he has to rent a backhoe under an assumed name. The thing to keep in mind is that not every thief is sufficiently determined- they're mostly opportunists. Many of them won't willingly use destructive force because that's evidence for the police, and they can always move on to some other poor chump who they can victimize without it. Even if they do, well- the broken stuff IS evidence for the police. Infinitely preferable to having them just walk through the front door because a poorly designed lock was the weakest link in your security.]]>Jul 24th 2007 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Aug 2nd 2007 2:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 26th 2007 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
Regardless, thank you for this article. I suppose it gets rather easy to forget about the easy forms of circumventing locks when you get to thinking of more advanced methods. However, whenever I get a house, I think I'll be using Medeco locks anyway. I'm sure that Medeco will address this issue in whatever their next lock model is. ]]>Jul 19th 2007 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
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There are about a zillion better/easier ways to make money than to break into somebody's house. Most of them perfectly legal. People who don't realize that - e.g. thieves that do break into your house - are stupid.

Meaning, you have to defend yourself from stupid thieves only. Barking door bells work pretty well.]]>Jul 19th 2007 7:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 9:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Ed
web/gadget guru]]>Jul 26th 2007 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 19th 2007 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
Are you an idiot?!

The only establishment of ownership of government property should be that government property = public property.

Don't be so quick to give up your rights.

If everything that is in government is protected so carefully that no civilian could get access then the "government" would get lax with security making it easier for someone who wants to spy on our "government" catch-22

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In Switzerland we have locks that combine mechanical (aka the normal lock) and electronical features (read: a key with a microchip) like the Kaba elostar]]>Jul 20th 2007 7:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
i had the same thought. those keys/locks are real medieval style. ;) that a look at this link : http://keso.com/neu/PHPCatalog/index.php?sel_category=2
THOSE are really good locks. (only mechanical though. add a microchip and you are ultrasave). i would never trust a simple mechanism like the one from the article above ....]]>Jul 20th 2007 7:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 20th 2007 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
http://lockbumping.org]]>Jul 20th 2007 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/
This site has a short video about how the Abloy Protec system works, it's definitely worth a watch as it explains how the system works:

http://www.bayarealocks.com/info.php?file=abloy

Thanks]]>Jul 24th 2007 3:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Glass panels have THEIR limitations
BUT you can have high-security clear window film
applied that makes it VERY difficult to bust through
glass -- and almost impossible to do so quietly --
I have this film mounted on every accessable window
in addition to Medeco locks]]>Jul 28th 2007 5:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/the-lockdown-the-medeco-m3-meets-the-perilous-paper-clip/Jul 30th 2007 2:02AM