http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/ Engadget Comments for Lenovo says "no thanks" to Vista for 2008 Olympics http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/maybe speed up the release of SP1???]]>Aug 15th 2007 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/

Yeah, windows is WAAAAAYYY better of an OS than LInux or Mac OSX.

Is there a lack of oxygen where you are right now?]]>Aug 15th 2007 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
i've been running vista on my htpc since beta2 and don't have annnnnny issues besides the occasional snafu about once a month at most. i know you're gonna say that no OS should require a reboot, but i'm not complaining, just stating my experience and it doesn't bother me.]]>Aug 15th 2007 6:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
We got new computers here at work that run Vista, and the ONLY thing I can do on them is run AutoCAD 2008! I can't extract survey data from our data collector. The software doesn't run on it! These computers don't even have Serial ports! How am I supposed to do my job with this crap OS?

I can't!

/rant]]>Aug 15th 2007 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
So you have old crappy hardware and a computer without a serial port. How is that MS's fault? Like others have said, it's not MS's job to come up with a bazillion drivers for old and outdated hardware.]]>Aug 15th 2007 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
"i can't believe how crappy my new car is. it doesn't come with a tape deck. how am i supposed to play all my 80's hair band cassettes?"]]>Aug 15th 2007 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
Oh sorry, this was an XP-Vista debate, my bad.]]>Aug 15th 2007 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
That's $12,600 just to upgrade to Vista.

No thanks. I might just find another job that doesn't require using a computer, because this is just too much. That or go back to hand drawing. I know for a fact that a pencil will work on paper ...]]>Aug 15th 2007 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
Are you also upset at vista because you can't use your 3dx Voodoo2?]]>Aug 15th 2007 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
The computer not having a serial port is HP's faul

The total station not working with a new data collector is the total station's fault.

The data collector not having a USB connection is HP's fault.

The data collector software not working is the software companies fault.

AutoCAD 2008 being the only version so far that works in Vista is AutoDesk's fault.

You can blame anything and everyone on someone else, but when it comes down to it, all of these problems wouldn't be problems if I were ablle to use XP. I could get a serial adapter PCI card for $40 that will work, and everything will work perfectly fine. So, because of that, the cost of upgrading to Vista is a lot more than what would be reasonable. Sure, it's not Vista's fault that developers don't write drivers and software for it. But if they had included a reasonable amount of backwards compatibility with software and drivers, then none of this would be a problem.

Hardware that engineers use is not like an $80 video card. It's not uncommon to see someone using a 12 year old plotter (like out DesignJet 650C, which doesn't work in Vista either by the way). Total Stations and survey equipment is used for 20 years before they need to get a new one. It's not obsoleted every 2 months like computer processors, video cards, et cetera. Comparing a plotter to a video card and telling me to upgrade is completely outrageous. The plotter works perfectly fine. I don't need it to go faster or plot higher quality. A new plotter will do the exact same thing.

This whole thing is absurd. You obviously have no grasp on how stuff works with computer hardware outside of the "omg ub3d leet gaming systemz" world.]]>Aug 15th 2007 6:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
]]>Aug 15th 2007 7:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
Why should I have to use a super expensive computer to "justify" using $12,000 worth of other equipment? That's a waste of money.]]>Aug 15th 2007 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/"I know for a fact that a pencil will work on paper ..."
H - I - Larious]]>Aug 16th 2007 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 27th 2007 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
please elaborate. I've heard no one clamor for SP1 except for people who won't buy it until that happens. so they aren't really users now are they?

and what is the slew of problems? i've had less problems with Vista than i did with XP.

nice work on having no evidence on the facts you state.

saying that, i wouldn't go with vista either for the olympics. use what you know best to make sure everything goes smoothly. it's no time to use a product a year old.]]>Aug 15th 2007 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 7:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 11:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
I have yet to install XP.]]>Aug 16th 2007 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
FWIW: Using XP still means $$$ for Microsoft.]]>Aug 15th 2007 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
Way to let your blind fanboyism get in the way of understanding.]]>Aug 15th 2007 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
Sorry, but your Mac may in fact be made at the same factory as many of your PC components, if not the whole PC.

The Chinese, and the American companies buying the parts don't care what they are building - only that the money is flowing.

Inform yourself before you say something else stupid. ]]>Aug 16th 2007 3:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
Those "legions of users" of users are noobs.]]>Aug 15th 2007 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
I run Vista on all my machines, and am very happy about its stability and speed. It is a well developed OS and people don't appreciate how good Vista is until they stop complaining about it not being Windows XP and actually try it.

Vista has all the integrated value added software XP hasn't. Why complain? Just upgrade your hardware for god sakes.]]>Aug 27th 2007 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/]]>Aug 15th 2007 3:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
Still, Microsoft sucks, and hasn't put out an innovative product in a long, long time (though C# is nice).]]>Aug 15th 2007 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
So...then they're turning around and dropping the whole "stable" part? I don't get it. They're using Windows, and it sounds like they've even noticed. I'll concede that it's "mature", in that it's still the same old 1990s OS with a decade worth of duct tape, but they should be *avoiding* self-sabotage.]]>Aug 15th 2007 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
I am peeved that in 5 years Microsoft couldn't manage to add any innovative features to the XP/Vista platform, but you cannot fault it for being buggy/unstable.]]>Aug 15th 2007 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
http://www.pocketpicks.co.uk/latest/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/ballmer.jpg

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The bottom line: Ask yourself these questions:

One:
What would you gain by using Vista over XP? Its not like the jump from 9x to NT kernel.

Two:
Why would you want to ever make your job harder if you gain nothing, and only add possible headaches? (These are not your machines, you just have to manage them, why make anything the least bit harder/introduce a learning curve on either yourself or your staff for no reason whatsoever.)
]]>Aug 15th 2007 4:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
XP has hung around so long, that eventually pretty much most people got it, and most people have software made for it. Vista needs time to sit in the market for awhile. Sadly.

And if it's running so slowly on your computer, then you should just get one with a higher quality and specs.

I hear so many people wanting to switch to Macs, yet they're high-end, have great specs, and still cost a lot. I'm betting OS X wouldn't run so great on many PC vendors low spec-ed computers. So they save themselves the embarrassment, and use their own high-end hardware to do so.

That's just how it is.]]>Aug 15th 2007 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/Aug 15th 2007 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/15/lenovo-says-no-thanks-to-vista-for-2008-olympics/
Just a couple of months ago, I was given a "PowerMac G3 All In One" for nothing. It's currently running OSX 10.1.5, using Netscape as a browser, and iTunes 4.5. My son loves it, works just great for his needs.

Oh lets' offload some spec's: built 1998, 266Mhz G3 Processor, 160Mb RAM, 4Gb hard drive.

Or here's the archived spec sheet... Note that the "un-upgradable" Mac has 128Mb more RAM than standard, and 2 USB Ports it never had originally!

http://web.archive.org/web/19980509061001/www.apple.com/powermac/g3/allinone/allinoneg3.pdf]]>Aug 15th 2007 5:01PM