http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/ Engadget Comments for Samsung shows off world's biggest 1.8-inch drive: 160GB http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/
Sure HDDs have moving parts which inherently makes them less reliable than SSDs with their lack of moving parts, but 1.8" drive reliability well outweighs the high cost premium and low relative capacity of NAND.]]>Aug 21st 2007 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/This month iAudio and Creative has announced their 16GB flash DAPs priced at $250, and they are on sale as we speak. Next year they will be doubling that to 32GB for the same price. Flash capacity has been doubled every year for devices like the iPod Nano. I live in reality land while you seem to have been living in a Cave.

1.8 inch HDDs in the iPods are very unreliable. My iPod photo died after 6 month and the replacement I got died after 1 year and 2 month. HDD failure is the most common death cause for the big iPod, resulting in a lot of warranty claims for Apple.

Therefor I bet that Apple are will be happy to switch to Flash for the big iPod as soon as the prices for the high capacity memory chips will go down to a reasonable level, which is at the second half of next year. ]]>Aug 21st 2007 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/
Its still going to be a long time before flash can overtake hard drive in terms of space for your money.]]>Aug 21st 2007 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/
I've always had good experiences with hard drives for 20 years of computing. Out of about sixteen hard drives, I've only had one fail (spindle bearings gave out) after eight years.

I'd be happy to use that 160 GB drive in the next iteration of iPods.]]>Aug 21st 2007 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/
Er...maybe if you put them in a blender (sorry). But seriously, hard drives have been in iPods since the very beginning, and just because 6 years on we can realistically speculate about large capacity flash based iPods, that doesn't suddenly make all the hard drive models unreliable and obsolete. I have a 2G 10GB iPod from 2002 that still works fine (even though the battery is nearly gone).
Why can't Apple have a 16/32GB full sized flash iPod for battery life worriers who want to watch videos AND have a 80/100GB+ models for those who want to carry around their entire library, no compromises? Different markets, different products.
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It will probably be another few years before we see large SSD ipods for reasonable prices.]]>Aug 21st 2007 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 9:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/
Yes, it's inevitable that SSD's will replace HD's in some applications, it's just a matter of companies improving manufacturing to a point where they can make SSD's for less money than they do today, whether companies can save money on warranty-related costs by moving to a more reliable form of storage, and whether candidates for a switch to SSD can afford the storage space decrease.

That said, there is NO indication of how long it's going to take for solid state media to catch hard disks in storage capacity. For portable music players that are intended to go anywhere and endure a significant amount of abuse, the shift to SSD makes sense; it's why I'm going to buy an iPod Nano to replace my 4th generation iPod whenever it decides to die. But I'll also be buying an Archos 605 WiFi with a 160 gig hard drive in it so I can transport all of my music and a handful of movies around with me on travel, or when I'm going over to a friends house and we might want to watch a movie or something.

People who think that there will be 160 gig SSD drives that can be thrown in a device for $400-500 starting next year, or even two or three years from now can keep dreaming. And when they are out, there will be hard drives the size of the one in this post that can hold 320 gigs or more of data. "Homeboy" makes the statement that Creative announced a DAP with a 16 gig SSD for $250 like it was some sort of ground-breaking argument. 16 gigs? Really? That's 1/10 the size of this hard drive, and hard drives increase in size on a yearly basis as well.

Hard drives aren't obsolete yet, and they won't be for a long time.]]>Aug 21st 2007 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/I'd like to install one of these in my iPods.
That'd be sweet. No more deciding on leaving some stuff out because the hdd was full.]]>Aug 21st 2007 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/_>]]>Aug 21st 2007 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/But if you want quality I guess you don't use an ipod of course, you'd need a player that can play lossless formats at least, and then you are suddenly looking at a need for a lot of gigs.
]]>Aug 21st 2007 1:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/You have to keep in mind that people use their PMPs for more than just music.
I've recently bought a 30gig iPod and it's already filled with just videos of movies and tv shows. I have another 20gig for music alone.

It comes in handy during long trips. 160gig hdd inside the iPod would be enough for some time. I'm sure it's going to have some exorbitant price though.]]>Aug 21st 2007 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/There are good reasons why NAS drives are now selling in 4 and 8 TB+ versions (one of them is demand).]]>Aug 21st 2007 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 11:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/samsung-shows-off-worlds-biggest-1-8-inch-drive-160gb/Aug 21st 2007 5:04PM