http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/ Engadget Comments for Apple's locked iPhones the subject of new class-action suit http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/"Case dismissed."]]>Aug 28th 2007 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionable]]>Aug 28th 2007 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
Also, just because you don't read a contract, doesn't mean you can claim ignorance. You are held responsible for having read every contract you sign.]]>Aug 28th 2007 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
T-Mo will, in most cases, unlock your phone if you've been a customer for a few months and you tell them you're going over seas. I did it myself earlier this year when I was going to France for a few days on business. I believe that's the reason you didn't find anything in your contract saying you were locked in.]]>Aug 28th 2007 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
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However, most are unaware truly of the terms they're signing up for. ]]>Aug 28th 2007 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/However, I agree that the iphone should not be locked like that : )]]>Aug 28th 2007 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
Btw. I'm writing on an iPhone and bringing this home to Canada. I'll be losing my phone capability because Rogers, like most carriers worldwide don't have unlimited data plans. Even an unlocked iPhone would have to go EDGE-less or even in the US, your data bill would be huge! In one week, I ate up about 50MB of data. Multiply by 4 and see if that fits in just about anyone else's data plan for the same price as AT&T's.]]>Aug 29th 2007 1:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/If this guy was so "shocked" at his $2000 bill after getting back from Mexico, then why would he care if the phone was locked ? If he wasnt aware of the high roaming charges, why would he want to use other providers SIMs to reduce this high cost in the first place?!]]>Aug 28th 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
These people are selling nothing more than air- no need to charge upwards of $2000 just because the air is not in the country that the phone was bought.

Apple signed the exclusivity deal with AT&T making it impossible for consumers to exercise their rights to fair trade- I believe Apple are at fault.

Apple- Wise up !!!]]>Aug 28th 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
It would however... be really sweet if he wins though...]]>Aug 28th 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
This is exactly why I will not purchase a locked phone or sign a contract with any carrier. The iPhone is actually kind of cool, but unless I can get it unlocked and with no contract I will never even consider buying one.]]>Aug 28th 2007 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Shouldn't you be in class?]]>Aug 28th 2007 10:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
Over = Accross
Seas = Large amount of water

US - > Mexico - No water between.

Basic Geography Gentlemen.
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but no seas :-)]]>Aug 28th 2007 12:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
If it is in some way using the money I pay in taxes then for once it is a good cause. Carriers selling phones for twice or 4 times what they are worth then locking you into unfair contracts is certainly Unconscionable in my book.]]>Aug 28th 2007 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
Besides no one made anyone buy this phone from Apple or sign a AT&T contract. It is a free market after all and there are lots of options and alternatives available. So blaming Apple for not knowing about what the terms of a contract you signed is simply no excuse.]]>Aug 28th 2007 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
iPhone is unique in that an unlocked version is not available, a two year contract is required and AT&T is not subsidizing the phone in anyway. I suspect that this is the issue this man is trying to raise. Using an iPhone requires a two year contract with AT&T AND paying full price for the phone. It's really pretty amazing that people buy it.

Smittie

]]>Aug 28th 2007 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/As for the $2000 bill?! woah! wtf was he doing? downloading movies? lol]]>Aug 28th 2007 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/Aug 28th 2007 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
It's, yes, ill advised not to read the cell contract. it is equally ill-advised to assume that, because the vendor doesn't explicitly say "hey, by the way, we reserve the right to ream you on roaming charges," that won't happen.

But it is ungentlemanly and a perfect case of "hah-hah, you didn't read the fine print" to sock people with ridiculous bills when they had no reason to expect them. People should have a reasonable expectation that a consumer item they buy isn't going to bankrupt them. At least maybe the gee-whiz geekazoid news can shut the hell up about how wonderful the thing is while neglecting to remind you to bring the KY when the bill comes.

Yeah, ok. His bad for not reading and understanding the several-page, tiny tiny print contract that in NO WAY explicitly states the charges he will incur overseas, and which service makes it impossible to actually find OUT what the charges will be. In fact, he shouldn't have bought the thing in the first place.

But stop saying people are stupid for having reasonable expectations that someone isn't out to rip them off.

I mean, what did it REALLY cost AT&T to provide that service? Hmmm? Bet you can't find out.

But it's never the carrier's fault, right?

If you think it can't happen to you? I pity you.]]>Aug 28th 2007 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/apples-locked-iphones-the-subject-of-new-class-action-suit/
1. An analogy: I drive across the Canadian border, see a sign indicating that I can drive 100, and get pulled over for doing 160. But I was only doing 100! "Well, son, that's in kilometers per hour." "But it's not marked KPH on the sign!" "Did you miss the welcome to Canada sign?" Let's see, I'm a frequent traveler, I'm in a different country, but unlike every other mobile phone, this iPhone *isn't* roaming. And I shouldn't have bothered to ask first...

2. Another analogy: I take a few photos of Guantanamo Bay, and the guards grab me and torture me for a while before finally releasing me. I'm suing Canon for not including a warning that the user shouldn't take photos of military installations.

Either the guy's an idiot or he's suing the wrong company, which still makes him an idiot. It's called personal responsibility. Part of being an adult is understanding that when you make assumptions, it's not someone else's fault.]]>Aug 29th 2007 5:53AM