http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/sorry, waiting for GooglePhone with 3G and Vodafone...]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
http://www.mp4nation.com/products/index.php?PID=cellphones]]>Sep 19th 2007 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/They don't have 8 Gb of storage and they actually seem quite dodgy doesn't say anythign about how they sync or what not.
Show me a single cellphone that is better than the iPhone and not available in the U.S. I very much doubt you will find a single one.]]>Sep 20th 2007 4:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/*sits back and eagerly awaits €uro pricing announcement*]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Even though we have pretty good edge coverage, we are lacking wifi hot spots.
But we have a law that says you cannot bind a customer for more than 6 months when subscribing to telephone / cellphone and or data lines.

]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/I'm so happy that Apple picked T-Mobile and not crappy O2 or Vodafone. It is defenately the best network with a much better EDGE coverage even compared to O2s EDGE coverage in the UK!]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
Is Visual Voicemail based on a standard or just an Apple thing ?

I can imagine some provider saying "...unlock the iPhone and we do VV as well..."]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
That's because everyone else skipped EDGE and moved on to 3G!]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
T-Mobile (and VDF) offer 7.2 MBit HSDPA (and soon HSUPA) 3G within Germany with best coverage of all 4 carriers. EDGE is just a plus.

Au revoir...]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
Did you read what he wrote? He said everybody skipped EDGE and went straight with 3G, how is EDGE a bonus?

Too bad Apple chose the shittiest operator in Germany, honestly, if you ever hear anybody talk about Telekom, they never talk any good about them. I could tell you stories that would blow your mind and it's no wonder they're loosing customers. It's a shame tbh, if they'd pull it together and stop f-ing around, they would be really really successful! ]]>Sep 19th 2007 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 8:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/features.html?feature=voicemail]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/I am using an HTC Tytn now on the Eplus Network.
Windows Mobile stoppt sucking after I replaced it with a cooked WIMO6 Version from XDA-Devs.
But the UMTS coverage of Eplus isn´t that good. Its really anoying to see UMTS while driving
to work/home but as soon as I reach either one of those places UMTS dropps and I am back on GPRS.

So, if T-Mobile really manages to have a complete EDGE coverage I´d be more than willing to switch back from a 3G Phone to a 2.5G Phone.]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
What has gone by so far without objection on Engadget (perhaps because folk are so used to it) is the obscene markup by Apple (and others) for Europe. 399€ is currently around US$560. Even allowing for sales tax of 20%, the base price is still $467 (16% above US pre-tax retail).

Is this the early adopter price Steve? Will you drop the price in two months to bring some parity to US levels?

Or should we await the GooglePhone and a carrier that don't do evil?
]]>Sep 19th 2007 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Nov 15th 2007 3:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
If they will not give their wifi net for free, I really doubt that T-mobile will catch a lot of people. What is the gain ? There are other phones with 3G and unlimited data plans also on the way.

399€ for a phone is pretty expensive here. I mean you get the latest Razor V2 for 1€ with a 2 year plan. So there has to be some advatange besides its a apple product and beeing able to buy music at the apple store.


And btw, lets say I buy the phone now and Apple throws a 3G phone on the market sometime in march,... well, could I go, buy the new phone and run it with my current plan I have for the first iphone ?
I mean I have to buy the phone for full price anyway. NOBODY asked that yet.
]]>Sep 19th 2007 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
Australian mobile users have among the highest call and mobile data charges in the world...

Enjoy your iPhone but make sure you're you don't do anything else other than speak on it! :-)

(oh yes, and use one of your country's expensive Hell$tra/Optu$-owned WiFi hotspots...)]]>Sep 20th 2007 1:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/I'll say it again - HOW MUCH IS *EVERYONE* GETTING SCREWED OVER WITH THE IPHONE?
See? Simple, huh?]]>Sep 20th 2007 5:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 8:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/The iPhone will be launch in France in November. Apple and Orange will work together to be ready on November 9th, like in England (O2) and Germany (t-Mobile)
http://piratec.fr]]>Sep 19th 2007 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
When a mobile network operator "Locks" phones, it does so by embedding a range of "Approved" IMSI's into the phone software. IMSI for SIMs in USA are different than IMSI for SIMs in Europe. Completely different ranges of numbers. Also, to clarify: 3G networks in Europe are still not 100% coverage, and GPRS is still used as rural backhaul solution for data. Since Germany already has EDGE and 3G, it is ready for iPhone and any future 3G iPhones. This makes T-Mobile the best option in Germany. For the UK, most costs associated with adding EDGE to the network are minimal, as it is sometimes just a software upgrade in certain newer networks. For hi-speed data, there is WiFi, then 3G, then EDGE. This means: WiFi for Location Specific, 3G for City Wide, EDGE for Rural. Think of them as concentric circles with the first layer being GSM/EDGE (National footprint), then with a smaller 3G circle inside that (city and business/tech centers), and then freckles of Wi-Fi all over both the circles.]]>Sep 20th 2007 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
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I know that the Visual Voicemail feature wouldn’t work with other providers but with that considered, am I right in thinking I could:

1. Buy an iPhone (O2, Apple, Carphone Warehouse)
2. Get it home and "activate" it
3. Never open/use whatever O2 package/SIM is included
4. Use one of the SIM Unlock programs
5. Put my 'Orange' Pay Monthly SIM from my N95 into the iPhone
6. Use the iPhone with my current 'Orange' contract

Am I right? Could I do all that? Would it work properly? The SIM Unlock programs do make the iPhone work with Pay Monthly SIM's as well as PAYG ones yeah?

Thanks]]>Sep 19th 2007 10:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/You have to sign the plan before they hand over that iThing.]]>Sep 19th 2007 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/
"I'm disappointed!"
"Where are the plans?"
"Why doesn't it have 3G?"
"Waiting for (phone model) on (carrier) with (feature iPhone doesn't have)"

I don't care if you're waiting on the GooglePhone on Vodaphone! Most of you are so immature to think that you're entitled to ANY feature you come up with while playing D&D with your friends in the dungeon (basement). The phone doesn't have 3G? SO WHAT? It still is a phone, internet tablet and iPod. Does nokia do it better for less? If so, go buy it!

But don't sit around here grandstanding for either side when chances are you're not going to buy the product in the first place. You just want to voice your dissent because you have the option to do so, and I think the great crime in this is everyone feels like that's the cool thing to do. You know what's really cool?

GETTING A LIFE! Don't like the iPhone? Fine. But don't expect me to respect a damn word you say when a prepubecent valley girl should be narrating your comments with the Hannah Montana soundtrack in the background.

ROLL A 20 AND DIE DUNGEON MASTERS!]]>Sep 19th 2007 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/ [...] worse [...] EDGE [...]

I was trying to use UMTS under Vodafone/D2 - and coverage sucks. Or rather quality of coverage.

I got on average 2-4 bars of signal strength. In GSM mode, my phone is stable at 6 bars.

Consequently, I had to recharge it almost every 2-3 days. In GSM - not more often than once per week.

I doubt T-Mobile UMTS quality would be any better than that.]]>Sep 19th 2007 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 22nd 2007 7:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/iphone-confirmed-for-t-mobile-germany/Sep 19th 2007 1:06PM