http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
BTW isn't this like the Anit-iPhone LOL!

M$, Buttons, 3rd party freedom, stylus etc. I just dread the price tag I hear this might have, its a pretty awesome phone.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 5:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/]]>Sep 22nd 2007 9:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 23rd 2007 1:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
Oh, we don't want people hacking our phones and using it for things we don't want, even though the feature would mean that more people would buy the phone, use it more, and use more air time.

Guess it is time for another installment of "Executive Bonus Awards" - Time to give exec. management team of AT&T a large bonus for this decision!

- Roger]]>Sep 22nd 2007 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
If I'm not mistaken, the only camera removed was the 3G Video Call camera from the front which, unbeknownst to me as to why, AT&T removed. That service is available already in AT&T if I'm not mistaken. The rear camera is still there.

Now, there is a version of this phone without any camera at all which is great for folks that work in security sensitive companies that don't allow any cameras what-so-ever.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 6:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
My ire comes against those who seem to arbitrarily make decisions on options for us. I mean the front camera is a cool idea for video conferencing so why ask the manufacturer to take it out? Who's brilliant idea was that. "Yes, I would like to offer that for all the people in our network, but could you take out the front camera, I do not want anyone to be able to use it who may want it."

I guess the brilliant people who run AT&T see no reason why anyone would ever want to try this feature or they purposely feel that while people can use their network to talk, they should not be allowed to use their network to talk to anyone they can see.

But hey, this is exactly why these people should be rewarded. I mean look at all the people who won the Medal of Freedom for their similar executive leadership!

- Roger]]>Sep 22nd 2007 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.xda-developers.com

plus, the processor its packing, 400 mhz, is the same as the processor in the 8525. i dont see the upgrade here.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
but that's why God made card readers. usb 2.0 doesnt really matter here.

the added memory is nice, to be sure, but the cpu is the real problem. my 8525 has no problem running a lot of apps, but too often it runs them too slow and laggy, which strikes me as a cpu prob.

i mean, none of this really matters. this is the best series of phones out there right now (8525 and 8925) and they put the iPhone to shame.]]>Sep 23rd 2007 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.mobileplanet.com/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=151727

There's still no telling if the color scheme will be the same, and it certainly won't include the "HTC Home" app pictured on the home screen. ]]>Sep 22nd 2007 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 6:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.modaco.com/ATandT-89xx-Tilt-screensh-t258197.html), if accurate, show that the AT&T version has the standard WM6 Pro interface, not TouchFLO front-end, though it still has Touch-Flo features.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
When the iPhone first came out I was feeling the same thing many were feeling which was to wait for an iPod that had the same features and characteristics of the iPhone but without the phone part. This is because I was having fun hacking my 8525 and just couldn't see myself with a phone without a physical keypad and 3G. So I was disappointed when the iPod touch was announced with only 16gigs of storage and more limitations than the iPhone. I decided to give the iPhone a try at that point. Really, why buy the Touch for $400.00 when I could buy the iPhone with so much more for the same price? Granted, half the storage but I figured I could somehow deal. I was also discouraged by the delay of the Kaiser which is what this 8925 is based from.

I gave it a lot of thought before I settled for the iPhone, believe me. I liked my 8525 but the hate outweighed the love. I installed so many different Cooked WM6 Cooked ROMs into it looking for that magical increase in speed and reliability. I didn't find it. The iPhone is so much smoother and nicer than the 8525. I didn't pay much mind to the lack of 3G on the iPhone since it has WiFi and I'm always near an AP that I can use. Besides the battery life is so much more because of the lack of 3G.

So far there are 3 things the 8525 offered me that the iPhone lacks and that's Exchange compatibility, a password database program (Flexwallet), and a personal finance program (Cash Organizer) that could sync with Quicken. Those are the only things that I'm hoping will eventually make it to the iPhone. But in the end, the price ($400.00), the interface, the really good iPod functions, the size, the hackability (yes, the iPhone is hackable), and the full compatibility with my Mac, made me go for the iPhone.

Is the 8525, and now the 8925 an excellent phone? For me it was, 6 months total time. But the iPhone is so much better (my opinion) and so promising. There are iPhone native apps available. Have you heard of Installer.app or Jailbreak? Installer.app is awesome where you carry around with you the capabilities to install all kinds of open source, freeware, iPhone native apps anytime you want. These work really well and don't take away from the performance of the iPhone. Couldn't say the same from the 8525 where I was always balancing performance and storage. Always looking for that magical Registry tweak to increase speed and maintain stability.

Will the 8925 suffer from the limitations of the 8525? I hope not. But, like I said before, I was not going to qualify for the new user discount of the 8925 anyways. This means I was going to have to pay full price. So why was I going to pay > $400.00 for a phone with an OS that required a lot of maintenance and tweaking around? No. I'm taking a chance with the iPhone but so far I like what I have. Besides, when the Pocket PC OS was first introduced the devices were pretty much app locked where one had to wait a while before apps started to be made available. I think the iPhone is going through the same development life-cycle as I'm sure actual, official, commercial grade, 3rd party apps and Apple developed apps will be made available.

Long-winded reply but I couldn't make it shorter. Not trying to convince you to get an iPhone. Not my objective with this response. Just making my case for why I decided to skip the 8925 and go for the iPhone.

Fin.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 23rd 2007 11:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
http://www.ebooklvr.com]]>Sep 22nd 2007 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
Well that and the fact that WinMo diehards have had four generations of phones in a large number of styles and two broad forms (three if you include things like the Advantage) from a large number of manufacturers, also unlike the iPhone.

Gordon, it's Windows Mobile. There's a ton of software for it. Mobireader and Acrobat reader are both available for it for free.

And you won't even need to jailbreak your phone to install it... (Oh.. how dull... it just works... :)]]>Sep 22nd 2007 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
I'm willing to bet that a lot of iPhone users like me owned WinMo phones previously and won't look back. Yes, I did all the "hacks" to make it a little more stable and they still sucked. I must say that the Dash was an exception, though.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 7:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 6:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
Funny.]]>Sep 23rd 2007 1:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/

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I pay $20/month (before my 23% discount) for an unlimited data plan for my Blackjack. You don't _have_ to to get the $40 plan becasue there's no functional difference between them. I swap my SIM between my Blackjack and my Advantage all of the time without any issues.

The key is to sign up only for voice service at the time of purchase, then create your online account profile at the ATT website. Once that's done, you can add the $20/month Media Max Unlimited service to your account and you're done.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 11:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
Different strokes for different folks, but of course, people care about proving their favorite device better, rather than a objective look at strengths and weaknesses.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 22nd 2007 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 23rd 2007 2:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
can't wait to get home to set this up.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 8:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/Sep 27th 2007 6:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/22/first-pic-of-an-atandt-branded-8925-tilt-9-30-release-date/
it does have both cameras. i buy a lot from this person so i do get some better pricing.

whats the street price now?
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