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I think the biggest reason that companies do not want to change is the requirements. It's not that Vista is bad but take for example the company I work for.

We currently run some older Gateway profile PC's and there P4's with 512-1 GB of memory. Thats not going to cut it with Vista. Not to mention the Video card is onboard (It's a profile)

Being the network admin, in order for us to properly transition over to the new OS we would need to replace all of our PC's. Now I am gradually phasing out these gateways and replacing them with Dell Precision PC's. Something that is designed to take that kind of work load.

But until then it still cost allot of money to upgrade all our PC's. This is why I am not transitioning as of right now.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
I work for a company that develops alot of in-house applications, some of them dating back to 1999. To transition a few PC's would be useless, and usually its contractual. If a contract ends with one supplier, then they go with another, hand back all the PC's, and start fresh with new PC's. Or, if the lease ends on the current batch of PC's, then they get rid of them all and get a new batch.

The company would have to do alot of in-house testing of all their applications to make sure they are all compatible with Vista, which isnt worth the money right now. And its not that it wont work in Vista, because most (if not all) the apps should, but no company takes the chance without doing a full round of QA and testing before confirming that everything is good to go.

In the business world, OS's are hard to transition to. Its not like a single consumer who has nothing but music and movies on their computer.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
Several versions could have been a good idea, they need a streamlined edition though for office computers that only see the likes of, well, office, and the general poor like me.

But I see what you mean, Vista's not bad, it's certainly an improvement on Vista, but it becomes de facto next June without being suitable for everybody. And windows needs to be the OS that works on everything.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
"Can I downgrade my OEM version of Windows Vista Business to Windows XP Professional?

Yes. OEM downgrade rights for desktop PC operating systems apply to Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate as stated in the License Terms."

From:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:QhRPqUZGi9kJ:download.microsoft.com/download/d/2/3/d23b9533-169d-4996-b198-7b9d3fe15611/downgrade_chart.doc+microsft+vista+xp+downgrade&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Which basically means that quite a few businesses are still in the process of upgrading to XP.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
I know this is going to sound like Linux fanboy banter, but if you had bought/written all your applications to work on Linux, some of them might need a recompile, but most (90%+) you could just transfer from the old PC/distribution to the new one and they would still work. Microsoft's old model (and in my opinion the newer model) for the Operating System does not cater well to backwards compatibility. I also think that this is by design. What better way to keep you coming back with your wallet open.]]>Sep 28th 2007 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 6:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
I am no Mac fan but I have used both, and Vista very much seems to be a wanabe MAC that just doesn't cut it. Other OS are gaining market share, if Microsoft continue to release diabolicle software like Vista, they are only helping the competition.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/technology/16digi.html

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Translation: I am a huge Mac fan trying to make myself seem impartial, have never used Vista, and lying out my ass.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
Translation: While you are a huge Mac fan, I myself am a huge Microsoft Fan (and/or being paid to do this) and can't handle people with opinions other than cream filled wet dreams about Vista.]]>Sep 28th 2007 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
So if you are a Mac fan, then you are standing up for what you believe in. If you are a Windows fan, then you are accused of being paid off. It is odd that you would acuse me of not being able to handle other's opinions. Searching for your Andir, I find a number of instances where you cannot handle a lively debate, and turn to the "shill" argument. So every body's opinion is fine, unless it is counter to yours, then you have to start making unfounded acusations that people are trying to be paid, as if their opinions do not make any difference?

I make a quick comment that was not really directed to jplevene, simply because this is the type of comment that somebody from the Mac/Linux community makes to some user that may like their Zune, Windows, 360, etc. And you had to prove the point very well - that the Mac/Linux community can sure hand out criticisms, but can't stand having the finger pointed back towards them.]]>Sep 28th 2007 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
And I'd be interested to see one of these "situations" you talk about where I cannot handle a "lively debate".]]>Sep 28th 2007 6:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 6:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
And seriously, I'd love to see a post by me about Blu-Ray made before it's release that I did not back up with some evidence. You seem to have targeted me as your pincushion. Links please.]]>Sep 28th 2007 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/13/samsung-bd-p1000-blu-ray-player-delayed-again/]]>Sep 28th 2007 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/13/samsung-bd-p1000-blu-ray-player-delayed-again/]]>Sep 28th 2007 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
I won't lie. I don't like Microsoft's shady business practices anymore than I like the rootkit scandal from Sony. But for the record, I dislike companies like the former AT&T and Microsoft abusing monopolies. They have deep pockets and have used such money to buy off people and reviews (You can even check out the latest Halo3 review "package".) They have also used it to shut people up. I feel that putting all the cards on the table is the best bet. I don't think I've deviated from such a posting history. Like it or not, Sony has competition. I can name at least 15 other companies that make computers, home theater equipment and portable music devices. I can name two companies that make Office software and three different OSs. (But on that note, MS abuses it's monopoly to keep OEMs from selling such operating systems until recently.) Sony is in competition on all fronts and doing well enough. Nintendo has done well enough in the face of the PS2 success as well. For Sega to go ex-hardware is sad, but the company still exists. Lik-Sang is the only company I know of that attributes it's demise to Sony (though Nintendo had it's fair share of lawsuits...)

I'm done arguing, but I think I defended myself.]]>Sep 28th 2007 7:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
Why take sides? Just get a Mac and run both. And that's not a nod to Mac, but you can't argue.... it's the ONLY platform (that I know of) that's widely available and let's you run whatever just about x86 OS you choose.

]]>Sep 28th 2007 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
When you click on on the month/year at the top, the grid changes to show months or years (years if you click it second time). If you click on a month or a year, the component registers a after a "MCHitTestInfo" hit test "MCHT_CALENDARDATE", which means a date was selected by the user, not a month or a year. The component doesn't actually test for a date click, it hasn't been updated from XP as all it does is mathematically access where the mouse clicked in the control and if this region would occupy a date. For XP this is ok as only dates show in this region, but Vista has they new style.

J]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
I have a feeling your OS experiences include such treasures as Windows ME, Windows 98, and Windows 95.
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The biggest plus to XP is that it has been around for 6 years. Which mean most of the major bugs have been worked out.

The other biggest plus is that its reasonably stable.
Meaning when a program crashes, it don't take the whole machine with it.


I'm sure that all the bugs will eventually be worked out.
Ms extending sale of Xp until
June 2008, simply means they're bowing to pressure from both the coorpate world and the general consumer.
Mostly they're trying to keep folks from going to Apple or Linux. ]]>Sep 28th 2007 6:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
Add in the fact that most of our users don't know, can't tell, or don't care about the difference between Windows 2000 and XP and you have an obvious answer. There are still plenty of apps or peripherals out there that don't work right with Vista.

It doesn't make sense from a business perspective to upgrade to monster hardware only to make the GUI a little glitzier.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
The only reason to go to Vista is the UI, and as cool as it is, it's not a compelling business proposition.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
the only reason I see is dx10, and I don't play games on my pc, others do.]]>Sep 28th 2007 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
Yeah, I said it.]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
- Windows has a much larger install base, which increases the cost and logistics of upgrading.
- This scale, and the higher cost of the software, makes Windows more prone to piracy which will skew adoption figures.
- The scale also means there are more legacy software programs that need to be tested and updated to work with any new version.
- Speaking specifically about Vista, the system requirements are a barrier to entry for a lot of users.

Mac OS X users, while less numerous, are also much more fervent supporters of their operating system - aided greatly by lower prices and more manageable base requirements.

My company is making no moves away from XP for the foreseeable future. Probably for the best - I usually have Outlook, Dreamweaver, Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio, Adobe Photoshop and a couple of other programs running at any given time; with two monitors running at 1400x1050x75Hz (screen real estate I need as a developer). Adding Vista's graphical fluff would slow me the hell down.]]>Sep 28th 2007 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
John, you've clearly never used a Mac. Please don't speak without knowing; it makes it obvious how little you do.]]>Sep 28th 2007 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/I did not upgrade because I do not have $2k to spend on new software and hardware. So the Vista CD sits on my shelf.
*Sigh* what's a girl to do....]]>Sep 28th 2007 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
Seems like they were just too aggressive on the phase out schedule for XP.

I've been using Vista for 4 months, had a slew of problems right off the bat but since then it's been rock solid and kickin serious ass. The other day I swapped in a new motherboard that had a completely different chipset and Vista happily detected all my new hardware, no re-install needed. ]]>Sep 28th 2007 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
XP was insecure , yes i agreed but unstable?, i don't think so.

Instability did come from people that upgraded from 98se to xp (not a clean install) or attempt to run and incompatible legacy software and hardware.



]]>Sep 29th 2007 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
By doing this are they trying to say their marketing plans are flawed? Or that maybe their OS is not what people want its what already out

I'd be personally happy with an XP that ran for a couple more years....Service Packs can do a very good thing to a current OS and does Vista really have anything that we need? or anything that you can't get thru a separate application? ]]>Sep 28th 2007 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/Sep 28th 2007 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
Microsoft should have continued development and delivered all the good stuff originally promised, then they might have actually been good reason to upgrade.]]>Sep 28th 2007 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/microsoft-extends-sales-of-windows-xp-till-june-2008/
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