http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/ Engadget Comments for CE-Oh no he didn't! Part XLIV: Ballmer calls Ellison overpaid, kettle black http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/However, It uses way too much memory, it takes too many clicks to get to a simple control panel, and UAC is worthless. The best option right now is to set the UI back to Classic mode and disable all the unnecessary stuff that MS piled into it. ]]>Oct 2nd 2007 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
Wrong. Vista has so many buggy driver issues, on the PC's and laptops I can monitor it crashes far more often than my XP install. Which is to say, it crashes - XP simply does not. The only times I ever have to restart XP is for updates. I've had XP run perfectly, continuously, for months (yes plural) before. XP is rock solid; any stability issues are caused by 3rd party drivers (I'm looking at YOU, Creative!).]]>Oct 2nd 2007 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
With that said, I still have an XP partition that I boot into to play games. It does not connect to the internet. I don't do anything but play games on it. I don't even have updates on it unless they are required for a game. I have all the services turned off that aren't required, and nothing running in the background.

I do all my work in Linux, and all of my games in Windows. You gotta keep 'em separated.]]>Oct 2nd 2007 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
A collition that was making me all confused but Vista was the solution. I run it with all the XP-theme i can use.]]>Oct 2nd 2007 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
I have personally had the opportunity to sit in a board room and watch CEOs of Fortune 100 companies interact, and have to say that they blew me away. Watching them analyze very complex problems, lead a group of other high ego executives, and make billion dollar decisions kept me in awe. I don't think most middle managers compare in any way. ]]>Oct 2nd 2007 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
He has the right to say whatever the hell he wants to, as you have the right to point out the irony of his comments.]]>Oct 2nd 2007 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/FromPersonIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedPersonId=142565

Total Ellison Compensation According to Forbes - 35 million
http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/FromPersonIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedPersonId=223718

Total Jobs Compensation According to Forbes - 674 million
http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/03/highest-paid-ceos-lead-07ceo-cx_sd_0503highestpaidceo_slide_2.html?boxes=custom]]>Oct 2nd 2007 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
meaning 646 thousand thousand or 646 million

this stat can be verified by numerous sources, including
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9716002-7.html]]>Oct 2nd 2007 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
Anyway, your quote "forgot" Ellison's stock options, which, undoubtedly are what pushed Jobs' total compensation higher--Jobs actually only makes $1 a year in pay. The other $675,999,999 comes from his stock options. Which is way overinflated, as Apple stock has more than doubled in the past 12 months.

And based on your link, Larry Ellison made $591 million including his stock options. And about 35 million times more than Jobs in cash compensation and 35 times more than Ballmer.]]>Oct 2nd 2007 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/12/lead_07ceos_CEO-Compensation_CompTotDisp.html

Ballmer - .98 million in total compensation
Ellison - 72 million in total compensation
Jobs - 646 million in total compensation

Clearly there are some discrepancies with all of this data, but its there for you to decide. ]]>Oct 2nd 2007 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
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That's exactly my point. All the money in the world is not going to help him when he has a heart attack and dies during a speach or one of his famous rants "developers developers developers".

And your 'america' comment makes no sense. I think anywhere in the world money helps you when it comes to medical treatment even in those countries that have socialized medical programs.]]>Oct 3rd 2007 7:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
I hear his kids can't even get PS3 ... or Wii ... or extra chairs ... some people can barely get by on $15b]]>Oct 2nd 2007 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
Why even give it attention?]]>Oct 2nd 2007 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
If it weren't for Gates, Balmer would be selling used cars & coaching pee wee football in which he systematically molest the kids.]]>Oct 2nd 2007 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
a more convincing title:

Steve Ballmer AKA Mr. Sweaty,
Microsoft Corporate Mascot]]>Oct 2nd 2007 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
Funny.]]>Oct 2nd 2007 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUAr-P_39U&mode=related&search=
developers, developers, developers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkA9L2J2gY&mode=related&search=
marketing, marketing, marketing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_u1jPLOIA&mode=related&search=
we just going to keep coming and coming and coming and coming and coming and coming and coming...

not funny?]]>Oct 2nd 2007 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
I also agree with adriangrab with the Professional Athlete remark. There are very few people in the world who are capable of doing what these people do. If you think you can run a company like Microsoft better than Ballmer, start working and get up there. However, you're probably going to have to work your ass off (getting to CEO level doesn't allow time for reading Engadget or Slashdot all day).]]>Oct 2nd 2007 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/Oct 2nd 2007 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
Really though ,think of it this way - there are ~5 billion shares of stock, and 35m/5b = 7/10 of a cent per share. Oracle doesn't pay dividends, but by comparison if Ballmer made 35 million a year, that would be a 4% drop in dividends and Microsoft has far more shares outstanding than Oracle.]]>Oct 2nd 2007 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xliv-ballmer-calls-ellison-overpaid-k/
You gotta have some serious issues facing reality - give me a fricking break here. Yes, I have installed and used UBUNTU - if only I could remove it as fast as I was able to install it, that would've made my day!

XP is great. Vista is even better. Those who argue otherwise are ones that still play with their Playstation 1 console.

Face it - you keep improving on shxt that is near perfect - it's good for business and of course, it gives you feature options.

Using Ubuntu is as lame as trying to install my first USB device back in Windows 98 OSR2 days.

....and quote me on this: UBUNTU will never become mainstream. You gotta keep up with Windows 98 OSR2 first!
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STOP BASHING on Steve Ballmer -

You guys do not understand what it takes to run a company - a HUGE company day to day. He did not just start working for MSFT anyway - he was roomates with Bill Gates back at Harvard - he has been with the company since the early beginning - and if he didn't have what it takes, he would not be the chief right now.

Blind hatred is just ignorant. Know your enemy before you attack them. At least when you attack them, acknowledge their strengths. His weakness may be love of food, jealousy of apple marketing strategies, but at the end of the day, he is the chief running the most well known company on the PLANET!

You say MICROSOFT, they know bill gates. You say larry ellison - WHO DA? who is that guy? You say steve ballmer - and yes, sadly, not many know of him.

don't hate the player, hate the game!
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