http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/>>>>> iPOS ]]>Oct 4th 2007 7:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
If you look at the all DAP list on Amazon Apple iPods control 9 of the top 10.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_hi/002-7017325-4948064?ie=UTF8&rs=15752041&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A1065836%2Cn%3A172630&page=1

The iPod Classic is listed as 3, 5 and 6 on the DAP list but doesnt show up on the Hard Drive based list - bogus. By the way the first Zune is ranked 14th.

Sorry to burst your bubble Zune fans, iPod is still king of the hill.

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From the source ZuneRama -
"*Edit - the Amazon list is, for mysterious reasons, not including Apple's newer hard drive models. Thanks to all who advised me about that. Arrgh!"

Not to add insult to injury but the old 5.5G iPod was beating out the Black and Brown Zune on that HD DAP Amazon list.
]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
http://www.mp4nation.com/products/index.php?PID=mp4]]>Oct 5th 2007 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
iPod = mp3, mp3 vbr, aac, aac protected, apple lossless, wav, aiff, audible

Zune = mp3, mp3 vbr, wma, wma protected, wma lossless, aac

The iPod supports wav and aiff while the Zune doesn't. The Zune only just added aac support, and yet the iPod still trumps it 8 audio formats to 6.]]>Oct 5th 2007 1:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 5th 2007 9:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
I was confused by the Zune vs iPod specification article on engadget, which listed Zune's audio formats and ended with "MP3, MP3 VBR, AAC (expected)".

I thought that "(expected)" meant they were expecting AAC support to be added in v2, but I guess they were trying to say "this entire list, is what we expect will be supported in v2".

Doesn't change the count of formats each player supports, though!]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/3
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tool.]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/everyone, let's hear it for djkenpo and fanboyism at its finest!
Good job in your constant defense of second rate gadgets. The world is a better place with you in it!]]>Oct 5th 2007 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 7:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 7:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
None of the HD based iPods are in that list. If you look instead at the whole electronics store there are 5 different iPod revs (including HD versions) above the highest ranked Zune in the list.]]>Oct 4th 2007 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
If you go to the list for all MP3 players, the Classics are all ahead of the Zune except for the Silver 160 GB.]]>Oct 4th 2007 7:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
They don't seem to have the iPod classic as a hard disk drive mp3 player.

Top Selling mp3 players:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/172630

The 80gb iPod classic has been in the top 3 since about 2 days after Apple announced them, along with the iPod touch and iPod nano with video.

Also, look at the Top Selling items in Electronics:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/

So, the iPod classic is the #7 item in Electronics yet it's not the top selling HDD player?

I bet the Zune fanboys were ecstatic for a minute there.]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
No no, nothing wrong here. You'll find the Apple products and lists under the "Wood, concrete and Bricks" section.]]>Oct 5th 2007 5:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.woot.com/special.aspx?k=vipzune

Get a black Zune for $105 landed. ]]>Oct 4th 2007 7:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 11:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
Back up to look at all MP3 players and watch the Zune get shut out.]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
It wouldn't make sense anyway to have the old Zune on top right before new gen launch.

Interesting that people buy most the white one. I'd say the white looks worst of all, but just personal opinion.

Do people buy it since they think of the white iPod? May they confuse them both? Remember, not every Amazon buyer is a complete geek knowing bolts and nuts of every iPod generation.]]>Oct 4th 2007 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
They (including me) buy the white Zune, not because it looks the best, but because at one point it was cheaper than the other colors (for whatever reason; overstock?) by about $30 (I got mine for $169.99 w/ free 2-day shipping w/ Amazon Prime). I would have bought an iPod if it would have been that inexpensive (and came with a 14-day pass to download unlimited music for free...).

Also, I don't see why people are hatin' the Zune; the fact that it is actually selling fairly well is what Microsoft was going for (they weren't going for a 1 hit KO, and I doubt the Zune will ever outsell the iPod, but let's face it: Microsoft is all of a sudden becoming fairly generous to its customers, a nice change).

Let me just ask this: Why can't we all be friends? I mean, it's not like hate gets people anywhere.]]>Oct 4th 2007 10:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 8:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 8:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
Here's links for a couple MP3 players categories (one is the parent category for Hard Drive-Based, Zune = 14th):

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_ex_n_3/102-0543851-1827329?ie=UTF8&rs=15752041&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A1065836%2Cn%3A172630

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/172630/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_e_1_2_last/102-0543851-1827329]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/in terms of sales that is...........]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/It may be cool to deride and mock Microsoft for their clunky marketing efforts and me-too isms but the device is VERY solid hardware. You guys should be more objective about Ipod alternatives because not ALL of us have our lips wrapped around S. Jobs dong....
]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
So it is not a real alternative. ]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 9:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
The only reason Apple gave the iPod and iTunes Windows support is because a vast majority of people use Windows, not Macs. It would be pretty impractical for Microsoft to make the Zune Mac-compatible for that reason.

And people, we already get the point: the iPod still sells better than the Zune (although the Zune has been selling better now than...ever, maybe?). There is no need for hundreds of you iPod fanboys to post links to Amazon to supposedly kill any hopes of fans of the Zune. It's not like anyone expected the Zune to outsell the iPod in its 100 forms...]]>Oct 4th 2007 11:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
Zune is doing well in the "portable digital media player" category. Which, apparently does not include iPods or Sandisk...

However, in the total MP3 player category, the iPod occupies 7 of the top 10 spots, including the top 4. And 18 of the top 25 sellers are iPods.

That old Zune 30GB barely makes the list, at 25.

And obviously, it does not mention actual numbers. My guess is that the difference between the #1 spot and 25 is several hundred thousand units.

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You all need to start looking at the big picture, not just in the here and now, 'cus the Zune is going to be right up there with the best selling iPods. Just you wait.]]>Oct 4th 2007 9:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
Zeus: Such little advertising ?! Are you serious :D ?]]>Oct 4th 2007 9:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 11:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 9:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
if you call the new ipod classic (and nano) firmware apple "resting on it's laurels" any more than microsoft with this incemental firmware update you are clearly blinded by the fuzz (fake buzz). and to ignore the significance of the ipod touch and iphone (still an ipod at heart) is a major, major oversight.]]>Oct 4th 2007 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
people that like the zune don't do so becuase they've been brain washed by some company.

I think it's clear who has been brainwashed by corporate propaganda..]]>Oct 5th 2007 12:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/
just because you don't follow the same path of logic that i do does not mean i'm young or immature. if you would like to take what i've said and explain why it's wrong be my guest, otherwise you're just being an ass.

the point i'm making is that outside of these few tech sites, where people can post anonymously, i have heard absolutely zero buzz about the zune in the past or present. it is a well known fact that microsoft pays plenty of money for online shills to create a false sense of "buzz" around their products. they did the same thing with the launch of vista. sure, i am erring on the side of skepticism but judging from the amount of coverage coinciding with the anti-apple propaganda being pushed so heavily (again, almost entirely online) i think it is fairly justified. ]]>Oct 5th 2007 1:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/old-30gb-zune-tops-amazons-dap-list/Oct 4th 2007 9:11PM