http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/ Engadget Comments for Microsoft patent app shows off new user interface for mobiles http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
And they didn't think of the interface on 6/19/07 and run to the USPTO.

Believe it or not, someone at Washington could have thought of this interface on his/her own. It woulnd't be the first time someone thought of an idea and was beaten to the Patent Office by someone who had the same idea.

Really all Apple would have to do is prove they thought of the idea first. America is a "first to invent" policy country, not a "first to file" policy country like many others. ]]>Oct 12th 2007 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
And they didn't think of the interface on 6/19/07 and run to the USPTO."

What are you talking about? Apple showed off the iPhone back in January. This is most definitely 'inspired' by the iPhone.]]>Oct 12th 2007 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
I think the whole Photo gallery thingy is more of a carousel view, than a coverflow view. Carousel layouts have been here for a long time, and I don't think any company has any ownership to that look.

And does it really matter the way something looks? Functions are just as important! Or what else would you do on your phone?]]>Oct 12th 2007 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Anyways, I LOVE this idea... just like the Zune Interface when you think about it..]]>Oct 12th 2007 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
So what if the UI is copied, it doesn't not hurt us in any way? adapting other companies ideas and improving them is what makes Apple so succesful- such and the touch screen and Mp3 player.

We are the consumers, and whether we buy their product or not is our choice. I personally would like a device similar to the iPhone that can use 3rd party software, so this may be ideal if integrated well into devices.

And moreover, if ideas we not copied, than we would still be in the stone age.

so stop whining and enjoy have so many good products]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
Why does it matter? Because it's a PATENT application. Hey, I would love for other companies to make use of new ideas brought forth by the iPhone (as long as those ideas aren't patented by Apple). But don't claim you invented something you obviously didn't, in an attempt to make money off a company who made it popular before you submitted the patent app in the first place.]]>Oct 12th 2007 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 9:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
whichever makes the better impression = better. not a fanboy here. just pointing out what I see.. and i see iPhone > WM phone :)]]>Oct 13th 2007 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
How many phones do you OSX on? ONE. How many phones is WM on? Countless. Yes the iPhone is a success, but to call Windows a failure?

Even at Apples 1 million iPhone sold milestone, WM still out number Apple more than 4 to 1.]]>Oct 13th 2007 2:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
So you mean to say that Apple really is doing this great. The iPhone (with a really innovative UI) is out for 3 months a already Apple has a 20% share compared to WM phones. That really good news. This could actually mean that in, let's say a year or so at this rate, Apple could outnumber more than 3 to 1. Boy that would be a laugh. Basically WM sucks. Maybe also OSX on the iPhone (haven't used it yet as it's not yet available, around here (NL).

BTW, this patent filing does really show that MS lacks original ideas. ]]>Oct 13th 2007 4:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 13th 2007 7:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
As for ripping off apple, they're not because there's nothing to rip off. iPhone's interface is not revolutionary it's just a well organized interface suited for the platform. If using a similar interface is called ripping off then every website on the web with a left handed menu is ripping off some website that did it first. If somebody came up with a better way to organize or present information it's just common sense to use it. Why rob the customer from good UI just so that nobody can say you ripped somebody off.

Oh heck, you know very well that if MS's next mobile interface didn't take cues from iPhone's then everybody would be complaining that they're using badly designed interface and why aren't they doing what iPhone does.

And P.S. to all the apple fanboys - Apple didn't come up with coverflow, they bought it from a guy that came up with it.]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
Hallefuckingluyah someone with more than 2 brain cells.]]>Oct 12th 2007 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
Oh really? I never knew that Not all Apple fanboys are fucking stupid!]]>Oct 12th 2007 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
AMEN!]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
You know what...even if they didn't invent coverflow (although I am sure they refined to well beyond the original concept) they're still the innovator because they know which designs to get ahold of and how to implement them. No one does all their own stuff...MS outsourced much of the graphics for Vista.]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
Could you please tell me the difference between what Apple does and what Microsoft is allegedly doing here?]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
I bet this peasant doesn't even own a mac. He's all up in arms because people are attacking the company that created his precious iPod shuffle.

Enjoy your Acer, you serf.]]>Oct 12th 2007 7:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 11:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
But JUST so everyone is clear. Apple did not create coverflow. They bought it from a small start up company that was making a coverflow plug-in.

So before you go and take out your pitch-forks and stakes, Microsoft might have copied coverflow, but Apple essentially...well just bought it from somebody.

Just say'n]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
It isn't about who invents something anymore, especially not an abstract concept like "flipping through folders" or some crap. It's about you, the consumer, getting the most out of it.

Look at the fasion industry: who invents some style first isn't protected by anything, so people keep trying to make something better. Everyone wins except lazy designers.]]>Oct 12th 2007 9:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/Oct 12th 2007 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
she sure is pretty. ]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
You people run around like Apple invents everything. Isn't it Jobs who loves to say, "Good artists copy; great artists steal"? News Flash - Apple didn't even invent the touchscreen cell phone. How many of you called them on that?]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/There are plenty of prior art implementations of this type of interface in the mobile space by On Device Portal companies.


]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
I also have the utmost faith that if MS comes close to making this UI work well, they'll surely ruin it by naming things horribly. I looks at the names of MS products and they almost always end up being so long and convoluted as to take away any emotional desirability of using their products. Even an application with a name so simple as "Word" gets destroyed because MS wants it to appear on screen as "Microsoft Office Word 2003". ]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
Another example: Microsoft has long been working on a middleware platform for cable and IPTV providers to deliver TV programming. It used to be called "Microsoft TV Foundation Edition" but they renamed it to "Microsoft Mediaroom."

And before this push for catchier names, "Microsoft Surface" might just have easily been named "Multi-finger Tactile Input System". ]]>Oct 13th 2007 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
Before anyone on either side of the camps goes off shouting about how Apple were the first to create lists that slide from side to side - stop right there. I've seen people do implementations of the exact same thing with album covers in Flash for over 2 years prior to Apple releasing their iPhone - the concept of cover flow is merely an OSX version of the same in my eyes, so big whoop-ee.

All of these companies borrow ideas from one source or other and rather than leaping to critique Microsoft for doing something similar to Apple - why not applaud just a little bit for not simply sitting down in Redmond doing nothing at all about future Mobile operating systems. Not EVERYONE owns a locked-down iPhone. Some of us do in fact enjoy using WinMo from time to time and enhancements like this are just one more reason why someone could want to buy a Windows handset as opposed to an Apple one.

]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
Browser tabs, button menus, smooth scrolling, folder views, icons, task bar, background wallpaper, themes, etc., etc. all came from some place.

It's a user interface. All art, and design came from some place. Without inspiration, we'd be no where.

And to all the Apple fanboys claiming that Apple invented everything, let's not forget about how the most primative stuff was "stolen" from Xerox.

Xerox created the GUI and mouse responses, window views, and most importantly everyone forgets their contribution to networking.

Without this company, we'd still be typing in Apple II style, DOS commands, and from a UNIX command line.

Xerox PARC appreciation.]]>Oct 12th 2007 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
However, Xerox lacked the vision to market any of it, and handed it over legally and willingly to Apple.

Microsoft seeing it and stealing it is totally different than Xerox handing it to Apple.]]>Oct 12th 2007 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/microsoft-patent-app-shows-off-new-user-interface-for-mobiles/
Now, we are not saying that is an excuse to bash apple. We are merely saying that is ALSO not an excuse to bash MS.

So bash not....lest ye be bashed.]]>Oct 12th 2007 6:08PM