Nokia N810 gets official

Shocking everyone -- especially Engadget readers -- Nokia announced its new N810 this morning. Details are still incoming, but here's what we know for sure:

• Same 4.13-nch WVGA (800 x 480), 65k color display as the N800, brightness increased by ~20%
• GPS with particular focus on the "context sensitive web" via Ovi
• 2GB internal storage (not including memory cards), ships with maps for use with GPS
• Has WiFi (802.11b/g), does not have WiMAX
• Bluetooth (2.0+ EDR) DUNs to capable phones, totally Foleo-like
• 400MHz OMAP 2420 CPU, 128MB RAM, 256MB ROM
• Integrated frontal camera, ambient light sensor, mini USB 2.0, hardware lock switch
  
• Plays back video: 3GP, AVI, H.263, H.264, MP4, ASF, WMV, MPEG-1/4, Real video; audio: MP3, WMA, AAC, AMR, AWB, M4A, MP2, Real audio, WAV
• Battery life aimed at 4 hours of "typical use" (movies, music, internet access, etc.), 10 hours music only, and up to 2 weeks totally idle time, and 5 days active standby ("improved compared to previous generation devices")
• Runs Nokia's Linux Maemo interface (duh)
• 5 x 2.83 x 0.55-inches, 7.97 ounces
• Ships in November, $479

Gallery: Nokia N810 gets official

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[Jeremy @ Oct 17th 2007 12:09PM]

Why doesn't someone add cell phone to something like this. It would be the most killer phone on the market !

[Georgi @ Oct 17th 2007 12:18PM]

Cause it already exists.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/04/engadget-mobile-checks-out-the-atandt-tilt/

[N Burns @ Oct 17th 2007 12:32PM]

@ Georgi
Umm, that's running Windows Mobile, totally different platform!

[Jeremy @ Oct 17th 2007 12:52PM]

Not quite. Smaller screen, much lower res screen, much lower built-in memory. The AT&T Tilt is nice but no where near the specs of the Nokia N810, if only the Nokia had phone too...

[Sally @ Oct 17th 2007 12:57PM]

I don't think you would want to talk on the phone on this, I find it weird using the N800 for Skype because you have to set it a few feet away from you to talk, still it came in very handy overseas.

[GadgetHead @ Oct 19th 2007 2:10AM]

NOOO!!! Please!!!
No cellphones attached to this gem! I want to be able to buy good PDA again. Not those stupid "smart" phones that do not let us add our own applications, have total control over our lives and send everything we do to the service providers. Anything we want to do we have to pay. No waaaaayyy!!!
Nokia did an excellent job! I was looking into buying the HP Travel Companion but now will likely wait until November to get this one.

[SV @ Oct 22nd 2007 12:42PM]

Couldn't agree more. Just with GSM and even without G3 it would be iPhone killer. But seems Nokia designers now got inferiority complex. They develop cells for 20 years, but some "mighty" unknown in this business newcomer just came and grabbed all the spots. Seems now Nokia prefer to wait what's next Stevy drop in their eyes. Yes, N810 is not a phone but would be nice to have such as an option. GSM/3G would add only $20 and 2-5 MP camera $5-8 to bill of materials of $450 device, so why not ? We are already full like a mule of electronic gadgets which are frying and cracking our testicles. I feel frustration...

[SV @ Oct 24th 2007 8:04PM]

What also incredible, it is 12 mm shorter than iPhone, and only 2mm thicker and 10mm wider, so it has perfect size specifically for men's palm. Would be great phone. Damn Nokia ...

[Georgi @ Oct 17th 2007 12:10PM]

Too expensive, you can buy a dell laptop for that price.

[Jason @ Oct 17th 2007 12:13PM]

A laptop that weighs 200 grams and runs WiFi for 5 hours?

Show me.

[martin @ Oct 17th 2007 12:16PM]

Sure, this Dell laptop fits in your pocket...

[NutMac @ Oct 17th 2007 12:49PM]

One can even go further and say your Dell notebook is too expensive. I can buy more powerful Dell's desktop for less. And my Dell desktop is too expensive. I can buy an old used car for that. And my old used car is too expensive. I can get a woman for less.

[Billy Fiul @ Oct 17th 2007 3:45PM]

NutMac makes an interesting point. He is a quite good player of devil's advocate, obviously.

[dklicker @ Oct 17th 2007 12:19PM]

Do want several.

[phooky @ Oct 17th 2007 12:22PM]

The only things the n800 was missing were a keyboard and GPS. I think they've completely nailed it here. If it can play youtube smoothly, they've got a winner.

[Coleman Foley @ Oct 17th 2007 12:49PM]

i agree that gps is great, but i don't think it needed a keyboard.

[umijin @ Oct 17th 2007 6:02PM]

Umm.... 2Gb internal storage?? And people were up in arms about the iPod Touch's 16Gb limit? Geez.

i've been anxious to try an N800 for a while. The keyboard makes it attractive. But without more file storage capability - it doesn't quite trump my iPod Touch.

[freakmarket @ Oct 17th 2007 7:13PM]

quote "Umm.... 2Gb internal storage?? And people were up in arms about the iPod Touch's 16Gb limit? Geez."

The n800 has 2 high capacity sd slots ... i'm sure the n810 will have at least one. That can add lots of storage space.

[Chris @ Oct 17th 2007 12:22PM]

http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_en_R1.html

same ram, 128MB

[Chad @ Oct 18th 2007 5:38PM]

what means "UP TO?" 2 GB of internal memory? r they 2 have different models of the n810?

[Ted @ Oct 17th 2007 12:23PM]

I've wanted one of these since it was the 770. I will definitely be picking up one but I'll wait until it has WiMAX inside.

[Cairn @ Oct 17th 2007 12:25PM]

I'm a current owner of an N800 and I love it! I've been eagerly anticipating the release of the N810, but I have to admit that I'm having second thoughts at this price point. The specs just got posted to the nseries.com site and it lists the processor as "TI OMAP 2420, 400Mhz" and I'm not sure if that's much faster than the N800 (I think the N800 is 330Mhz?). It's also not clear if this model will have two SD card slots like the N800. I'm still really excited about this model, but as an N800 owner, I might wait a little while before putting any money down for the N810. Besides, I can already use GPS on my N800 with any bluetooth GPS device.

[Kozzi @ Oct 17th 2007 12:41PM]

Man I'm disappointed in this one, same RAM and only 1 memorycard-slot.

[riggs @ Oct 17th 2007 12:49PM]

where do you see that it has the same ram because im reading MORE RAM. maybe its my browser...

[Kozzi @ Oct 17th 2007 1:03PM]

riggs, check

http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2007/10/nokia-n810-inte.html
or
http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_en_R1.html

[charles @ Oct 17th 2007 12:26PM]

An internet and media tablet with 2GB memory and 4 hour battery life for $479? Yeah, I know you should be able to get that a little cheaper, but whats the advantage over an unlocked 16GB iPod Touch for $399? Yeah the keyboard is nice, but the iPod is much sleeker, better battery life, MUCH better storage, I imagine better UI for media stuff...

[Cesar Cardoso @ Oct 17th 2007 12:31PM]

Ahn... WVGA. 800x480 resolution.
And after surfing on a WVGA screen, all QVGA and HVGA surfing seems pointless.

[Coleman Foley @ Oct 17th 2007 12:43PM]

not to mention the screen is bigger.

[Jason @ Oct 17th 2007 12:59PM]

integrated GPS?

HID, FTP, DUN, GAP, SPP, HSP, SAP and OPP Bluetooth profiles?

[jjd @ Oct 17th 2007 1:10PM]

As someone who owns an iPod Touch and a Nokia N800, I find the Nokia better in some ways. For example, I can do internet radio with the Nokia, not so much the iPod. I can run Pidgin (multi-protocol IM) on the Nokia, not so much the iPod. I can use a media streaming application from a UPnP server with the Nokia, not so much on the iPod. Can take pictures, make skype calls and do video conferencing on the Nokia. Not on the iPod.

Basically, the big difference is that the Nokia runs a standard operating system and supports a third party developer community that allows development of third party apps.

I realize apple just announced a 3rd party development kit for the iPod Touch/iPhone, but it isn't the same. Apple's vision is of a sort-of walled-garden where all applications have to be signed and approved in some way by apple. With the Nokia, assuming you have the skill, you can build, download, run and distribute applications yourself.

--Jim--

[shawn @ Oct 17th 2007 1:56PM]

iPod Touch and iPhone require iTunes. Apple does not support Linux (though they're happy to take Linux software and repackage it for their own OS (ie: Safari)). So, those of us that prefer Linux are locked out of iPod Touch and iPhone.

Good luck getting me to switch back to Windows just to use iTunes.

[Fred @ Oct 17th 2007 2:51PM]

iPod Touch? You're kidding, right?

There are major deficiencies compared to this N810 besides not having a real tactile keyboard and a bigger, higher resolution screen:
* no GPS
* no Flash (Apple lies to people about giving you the "real" Internet)
* no flash memory card slots for easy file transfer and unlimited expansion
* most of all, no iTunes requirement

[Jesse S @ Oct 17th 2007 12:27PM]

I am buying this. And then I'm going to tether that with my current PDAphone.

This is perfect.

It would be nice if it did have at least an EVDO Rev. A chip in there. A nice CDMA radio would be even better.

[Coleman Foley @ Oct 17th 2007 12:46PM]

i agree about the evdo rev a chip. then you could just leave your phone behind

[Mark @ Oct 18th 2007 2:40PM]

Make sure you phone is supported. I could never get the N800 to work with my treo on Sprint. I ended up returning it because of this.

I'll try again with the 810.

[Jesse S @ Oct 17th 2007 12:28PM]

This is useful.

[Jesse S @ Oct 17th 2007 12:29PM]

Ok, I hate EG's comment system. This was in reply to that "LOL Y DUNT U GIT A TOUCH?!?!???!?!?!??" post.

[Brian @ Oct 17th 2007 12:33PM]

I wonder if they dropped the camera, that did absolutely nothing on the N800

[FlippantJibilla @ Oct 17th 2007 2:31PM]

The camera is right there on the face of the device, to the left of the screen.

[EngadgetFanBoi @ Oct 17th 2007 12:43PM]

It seems like they replaced the swiveling camera with a fixed one on the front of the device.

[EngadgetFanBoi @ Oct 17th 2007 12:34PM]

801.11n? Dimensions? Weight?

Price seems rather steep considering the iPhone, iPod touch, and more recently, the Eee PC can all be had for less.

[Jesse S @ Oct 17th 2007 12:41PM]

The n spec isn't even finalized yet. Why would Nokia add n?

Besides the EPC, this thing can actually do things. It's useful for people like me who have and use pdaphones for work.

The iPhone is only useful to people who want a phone and iPod together.

[equalizer @ Oct 17th 2007 12:46PM]

How are so many vendors shipping abgn wifi products then? It seems like Nokia could've done this too.

[Jesse S @ Oct 17th 2007 12:48PM]

Just because it sn't finalized doesn't mean they can't ship it.

But the point is, it could change. All the people that got n products when they first came out can't use them with current n products.

[Panq @ Oct 17th 2007 3:29PM]

I've never heard of a single device shipping with 802.11n... In fact, I'm entirely sure it's not possible (as Jesse pointed out). Draft-spec 802.11 radio wouldn't be a great idea in a portable device like this, and what use would 802.11n in particular be? There is no way you'd need more than 54Mbit...

Though I do agree with the comparison to the eee.

[equalizer @ Oct 17th 2007 9:04PM]

@Panq: The toughbook 52 supports abgn.

[Ian @ Oct 17th 2007 12:40PM]

I think that Nokia should have a dual strategy and continue to make the N800 (perhaps slip in the faster CPU). Then u would have the choice of a basic model w/o gps etc but very hackable and a more upmarket model w gps.
My concern is that Nokia will cripple this device. i.e. I want maps of Europe and Asia for my travels. But if they price the haredware more expensive outside of the USA they might NOT want the gps to work on overseas maps.
I think it also should have some kind of easy car attachment to work as a car gps AND media device.
Prob,em is that at near $500 it clashes with the high range Asus 701 and low end laptops. Beats up on high priced tablet PCs though.
My conclusion si that if it can be disounted by retailers to just below $400 it will sell well.

[john @ Oct 17th 2007 12:43PM]

Engadget is really dropping the ball on coverage of the N810. Many deets are on Nokia's own site and Engadget says "we don't have specifics".

These guys are live at the launch:
http://internettablettalk.wordpress.com/

[Sally @ Oct 17th 2007 12:45PM]

Looks like this dropped the price of the N800 substantially for those who can live without the mini-keyboard and GPS.

[namtastic @ Oct 17th 2007 12:52PM]

It's all over the Nseries site now. Wahoo!
http://www.nseries.com/