http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/ Engadget Comments for Details on proposed Seagate class action settlement revealed http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
Anyhow, 1,000,000,000/107,374,1824 is about 93%... and it's rather standard practice to market gigabytes as a billion bytes.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.rustconsulting.com/About_Us.html
Seem real to me???]]>Oct 22nd 2007 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
Plaintiff claims that Seagate's use of the decimal definition of the storage capacity term "gigabyte" (or GB), whereby 1 GB = 109 (1 billion) bytes, misleads consumers because computer operating systems report hard drive capacity using a binary definition of GB, whereby 1 GB = 230 (1,073,741,824) bytes, a difference of approximately seven percent.

...so are they going to sue microsoft next for reporting diffrently then the manufacturers? Isn't this something that all manufacturers do? ]]>Oct 22nd 2007 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
1. I'm not a slime ball.
2. I'm not a greedy SOAB.
3. I'm not an idiot that doesn't know WHY you never get 8GB of storage space on an advertised 8GB drive.
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As far as I'm concerned, I paid for what I wanted and got what I paid for.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
Haven't all the hdd companies been sued for this yet? It's pretty funny, because I'm pretty sure no one really cares about the difference between the 2 numbering systems besides some really stupid person that got pissed when he thought he was missing hdd space and thought seagate was ripping him off. How is this even a serious issue.

I agree with John Doe. @ Oct 22nd 2007 2:00PM above.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 2:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
Or, the customer with xx GB of MP3's, who goes out and buys an XX GB iPod and cannot put all their music on it.

But really these are customer education issues, to be handled at the point of resale. I'm not sure how this can be considered 'misleading', when Seagate makes the storage distinction clear on their packaging. If the consumer couldn't understand the explanation, or did not care to read it, I hardly see how that is Seagate's problem.

Could an illiterate chain smoker sue big tobacco for health problems because he could not read the health warnings on the packaging? Wait, don't answer that. I gotta start smoking two packs a day, and forget how to read. $$Cha-ching$$! (cough-cough)]]>Oct 22nd 2007 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
I think a class action lawsuit might be the only way to get the storage companies to realize that we take issue with their insistence on using a system of measurement (base 10) that makes so little sense with respect to computers.

I also don't think it's ambitious enough to ask Seagate to add some small print to packaging that nobody'll ever read. There'd be parties held in the streets if Seagate and other companies were forced to report storage in binary. Then they'd have to choose between marketing 149.1GB drives and adjusting capacities slightly.

I'd PAY my 7% to see that.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
B) All HD marketing I've ever seen always states that 1GB = 1 billion bytes.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
Why can't I release a product whose marketing states "Includes no CFCs" and then further down state "CFCs = California Furry Chickens"? Because it's misleading, regardless of the disclaimer.

I hope this suit goes to trial and they finally have to stop marketing in this manner. It IS misleading and does cause issues when backing up and moving music etc. (as others have mentioned).]]>Nov 2nd 2007 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
I have bought many a hard drive from seagate and others and will not look to profit from the suit like some others here because of our personal ethics. I would like to lend support to this though so that some kind of sanction is brought against the manufacturers so that they do not resort to these cheap marketing tactics.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
Companies shouldn't be forced to suffer for CONSUMER ignorance.
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You end up with law firms that are little more than class-action mills. You see these commercials on T.V. at night "Are you or do you know someone who ever...".

Why do you suppose that is? Simple. Once a class has been established, its a race for these firms to sign up as many people into that class as possible. Their incremental costs per client are almost nothing, but at settlement time the agreement pays them based on the number of people they represent. Often, you may see tens of thousands of people earning $10 at the end of the suit, but the law firm representing them earning millions.

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It's about time HD manufacturers stop using a technical loophole. Remember when monitor manufacturers would say 17" monitor, but only 15" was visible? Pure BS.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
It is not misrepresentation. 'giga' means billion. Not 2^30.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 2:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 2:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
So technically the hard drive manufacturers are reporting the numbers correctly and the operating systems are reporting incorrectly.

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It just makes it easer to sell to the customer, The average one, not the kind of person who knows why the size is different.

And frankly, if someone wants to back up 200Gb of data, why don't they get a 300gig HDD, its not like there more than a few Quid more.

HDD's are big and cheap, this is just consumer stupidity and seemingly taking a stand over a non issue.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
I saw that Fry's had Maxtor (owned by Seagate) 300 GB SATA-II drives on sale for $70 a piece...not a bad price.

When I went to the store, the drives had stickers on the boxes saying "Extra 20 GB included FREE!"

After formatting and with the difference between 1024^3 and 1000^3, I now have a RAID array with 298 GB of space.

At first I thought it was corny to make it seem like they had slapped in an extra 20GB (obviously it's just a 320GB hard drive), but this method will surely help less tech-savvy buyers remain satisfied with their purchases as 298 GB is preeeety darn close to 300GB (99.33% of the total, to be exact).

Kudos Maxtor/Seagate (and a big fat "suck it" to the vampire class-action-lawsuit-chasing lawyers)]]>Oct 22nd 2007 3:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
If you don't know what you are doing, you shouldn't be buying the product. It's that simple. The notion that Seagate is ripping anyone off is ludicrous. They are a good company. If you want to sue somebody, sue someone who has it comin' - like Apple. :-)]]>Oct 22nd 2007 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/just ship the 1tb externals already seagate
thank you]]>Oct 22nd 2007 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
These guys are the reason that people (sometimes unfairly) have a blanket distaste for all lawyers.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/

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1 GiB is 2^30

That said, the only way seagate would be misrepresenting their product is if they listed a 500GB drive as 500GiB drive.]]>Oct 22nd 2007 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/
Hell, next there will be a lawsuit for Microsoft, Sun, Mac, etc under-representing the drives sizes!]]>Oct 22nd 2007 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 6:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/Oct 22nd 2007 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/details-on-proposed-seagate-class-action-settlement-revealed/http://content.dynamicmessenger.com/. My email program notices the discrepancy and won't even let me click on the link. So is this a scam trying to get me to go to a website that will do something nasty or just incompetence sending emails that look like a scam?]]>Oct 23rd 2007 12:52AM