http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/ Engadget Comments for Leopard reviews coming in, usual suspects agree: it's all gravy http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/ VGA converter, Apple stocks those or go to a local computer/electrical store, they should stock them.
My only nag with the iMac Mini is that it only has 2 built-in USB ports. And you'll most likely put the USB mouse and keyboard in them... Why only 2? You KNOW we're going to take them up using the keyboard and mouse! Why not an extra one for good measure? But I digress, at least with that bit of extra cash you're blowing on an Apple product, you can take it into a local Apple Store, it's good quality, the OSX side runs smoothly, XP/Vista works... As good as XP and Vista will work on the specs, but that's good enough for the next few years anyway.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to have a shower and rub myself with my Vista instalation disc. Good day.]]>Oct 25th 2007 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Actually, the mac mini has 4 usb ports, and if you use apple's keyboard, it has 2 usb ports on it, so really you should have 3 free on the box and 1 extra on the keyboard. The mini also ships with a DVI->VGA connector in the box. (I bought one about 1 month ago). They are 600USD. In my opinion, that seems fair. I use my Dell laptop more, but the mini makes a good low end desktop (also, its easy to get Ubuntu dual booting on the mini)]]>Oct 25th 2007 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
from wikipedia
"Mac OS X versions are named after big cats. Prior to its release, version 10.0 was code named "Cheetah" internally at Apple, and "version 10.1 was code named internally as "Puma". After the immense buzz surrounding version 10.2, codenamed "Jaguar", Apple's product marketing began openly using the code name to promote the operating system. 10.3 was marketed as "Panther", and 10.4 as "Tiger". "Leopard" has been announced as the name for the next release, version 10.5."]]>Oct 25th 2007 3:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
Just as Tiger was:
Mac OS X 10.4 Leopard

This makes things handy, when I ran Tiger if I ever called tech support (which was very little). They would ask what OS I was running, and I'd say "Tiger". That's more so the name reason the cats names are used, you can say what your running in one word. Kind of like "Vista".]]>Oct 25th 2007 9:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
Should have been...
"Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger"

HEY RYAN.. GIVE US OUR --TWO MINUTE EDIT FEATURE-- PLEASE!!???]]>Oct 25th 2007 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
I use Vista on all of my computers, every day. So does my brother, my roommate, my friends, and many of my coworkers (beta testing at work).

You can't throw crap hardware at Vista and expect it to work well. Nor can you expect it to work well with the crapware that PC makers install (I'm looking at you, Norton/McAfee).

So, please, don't tell me how much you hate Vista. I'm sure Leopard is a nice upgrade. Let it stand for itself.]]>Oct 25th 2007 2:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
Yeah. If you choose to use a Mac, that's cool. Many of my professors do, as do a lot of the grad students around here. I even spent a semester using Tiger as part of a CS lab. I have a few qualms (XCode is no Visual Studio, the file open dialog is kind of a pain, and I dislike the Dock), but overall I'd say that the level of polish in the OS is way beyond Windows.

What I hate about Apple is the "us vs. them" mentality. Apple takes lots of cheap shots at Microsoft.

For example, what about "start your photocopiers"? There are LOTS of Mac OS features that were "inspired" by Windows:

- Fast User Switching (XP)
- Time Machine (Vista; "previous versions")
- Parental Controls (Vista)
- Self-tuning TCP (Vista)
- Signed Executables (Windows 98)
- Native 64-bit (XP 64)
- Translucent full screen DVD controls (Windows Vista)
- Icon thumbnail preview (XP / Vista)
- Front Row (XP; Media Center)
- Core Animation (Vista; WPF)
- Tagging downloaded apps (XP SP2)
- Application-based Firewall (XP SP2)
- Sandboxing (Vista; Protected Mode)
- Library Randomization (Vista; Adress Space Randomization)
- Multiple User Certificates (Windows 2000)
- Advanced searches (Vista)
- Web History Search (Vista)
- Search by Filename (Vista)
- Icon Mode in Open/Save Panels (Windows 95)
- Empty Trash Button (Windows 98)
- Guest Log-In (Windows 2000)

Apple, let's be honest. You rip off features from other operating systems. Often you implement them better. Sometimes you don't. But let's not accuse Microsoft of "copying" you.]]>Oct 25th 2007 2:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
No, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about Mossberg. I should have made that clear.

I mean, come on - Mossberg's "subheading" is:

"Upgrade of Apple's OS
Isn't Revolutionary,
But It Beats Microsoft's"

The fact that I can use two 3D applications at once makes Vista a bigger update than any recent Mac OS X version, at least in my book (FYI, the applications are WoW and Media Center - I like to watch my recorded TV while I play WoW).

My box has an 8500GT, an Athlon 64 X2 4200+, and 2GB of DDR800. Vista runs great.

People call that kind of hardware "excessive", but it's under $200 on Newegg. With the motherboard, 500GB drive, DVD-RW, and a decent case and PSU, it was still under $450.

Vista runs well on my 2-year-old Pentium-M 1.73GHz laptop with 1.25GB of DDR333. It wasn't high end then, and it's certainly not high-end now.]]>Oct 25th 2007 2:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
No, I don't fault Mossberg just for comparing Leopard with Vista. But his entire article seems like it was crafted as a dig on Microsoft.

- He talks about Apple's marketshare, and how it's "coming up".
- He talks about "the security problems in the dominant Windows platform from Microsoft", despite the fact that there have been remarkably few vulnerabilities in Vista (.
- He says that Mac OS X is "easier to use and more secure" than Windows, yet provides no qualifications for WHY he thinks that is the case.
- He says, "I believe it builds on Apple's quality advantage over Windows", again without providing justification or qualifications.
- He talks about "compatibility problems that continue to plague Vista", again without any specifics.

In essence, his review is every generic criticism of Vista distilled and regurgitated.

In my experience, most Vista reviews are this way. Vista is "slow", but they don't have the benchmarks to back it up. Vista is "unstable", but they don't have specific examples of it crashing (number of blue screens for me in 10 months on 3 machines: 0). Vista is "incompatible", but their incompatible app list is surprisingly short.

Are there things that suck about Vista? Absolutely. It takes WAY too much disk space (like 8GB!). It's a pain in the ass to change network settings (wireless is fine, but DHCP/static IPs are a pain to configure). IE still sucks (use Firefox). NVIDIA's drivers still suck. You still have to reboot to install most updates. WGA/Activation still sucks. It boots more slowly than XP. It won't go to sleep in "Max Performance" mode (on my laptop). It requires more memory.

But there's a lot to like. There are a lot of good changes - small things, that wouldn't normally be considered "features" (unless you're Apple!). The battery icon provides useful information rather than a "high/low/dead" indicator. The network icon tells you if you're connected to the Internet and not jut a local network. You can see a calendar without opening the "date/time" window. The volume icon is actually useful. You can customize the favorite links in Explorer and open/close dialogs. "Add/Remove Programs" comes up faster and is searchable. It's easier to choose an audio input device (nice little level meters let you know which input to pick). FTP/DAV doesn't inexplicably lock up Explorer. You can use fast user switching on a domain. You don't have to update 42 ActiveX controls and screw with IE to run Windows Update. The clock tells you when DST is coming up or ending. You can turn off AutoRun without hacking the registry. Voice recognition is built in and works. You can connect with an XBOX 360 without installing extra software. The "search the internet for drivers" feature actually seems to work. Crappy graphics drivers don't crash the machine. You can resume CIFS (Network Places) file transfers if the network goes out. You can run two or more 3D apps at once. The default mouse cursors aren't butt ugly.

The OS is what it is. Get over it.]]>Oct 25th 2007 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 4:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
Come on bro.... seriously, you haven't figured out the game yet???

"What I hate about Apple is the "us vs. them" mentality. Apple takes lots of cheap shots at Microsoft."

They both copy tons of features from each other and then display those NEW features in their NEW OS. They never said that the feature is completely thought up out of thin air. e.g. it never existed anywhere else.

A lot of people could list tons of features which are shared in both OS's with different names. e.g Apple's finder/Microsoft explorer. Different name, slightly different look however they both essentially do the same thing?

My 2 favorites are the windows Start bar which Microsoft introduce in 1995 while Apple had the Apple menu bar which they develop in 1984. Me; and I bet almost everybody reading this is happy that MS copied that feature! Grab a copy of progman.exe and run it on your computer for 2-30 min. You'll be wondering how anybody got anything done in that environment? The second one is HOTKEYS. Ain't nobody giving that up no matter what OS they are running!

Point being... Everybody uses it, everybody loves it, and nobody wants to give it up! We don't care who invented it... It's GREAT! And we are saying "Thanks, can you make some more of that cool stuff!"


The game is very simple. It is the company's job to get us, the end users/customers/potential customers/gossipers/etc... to discuss their products to infinity! Then we go out and say all sorts of things in the name of some company that probably didn't say squat. Apple is beyond extraordinarily with that type of propaganda. They have been doing it for decades, and whenever you see somebody post a list of things about company A vs company B. Well company A or B didn't post that stuff. WE DID! (at least most of the time.) And this is how the debate/war/propaganda/conflict/whatever you want to call it, goes on and on... Its just like talking about religion. It might SEEM like a different topic but it has the same exact substance to it.


Besides this stuff gives us something to do!

:D]]>Oct 25th 2007 4:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 6:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Fast user switching is a feature on some modern multi-user operating systems such as Windows XP, Windows Vista, Mac OS X, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu and Fedora.[1] It allows users to switch between user accounts on a single PC without quitting applications and logging out. Analogous functionality was first developed on consumer level hardware by the Xenix operating system which supported multiple virtual consoles. Linux, BSD, and most other PC Unixes adopted virtual terminals and further developed the user interfaces, including allowing users to optionally run separate graphical X Window System sessions.
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There was parental controls in 10.3
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2001: Intel finally shipped its 64-bit processor line, now branded Itanium, targeting high-end servers. It fails to meet expectations due to the repeated delays getting IA-64 to market, and becomes a flop. Linux was the first operating system to run on the processor at its release.
And there was a partial support for it on the PowerPC in 03
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Advance searches have been around FOREVER...apple had spotlight first
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- Search by Filename : Hasn't that been around since day one?
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Yes everyone copies everyone...but just wanted to point out some of you facts were a bit off...its always good to check wiki first!!!!!!! Not sure about the 64 bit one...could be making a fool out of my self there...but you get my point!

]]>Oct 25th 2007 8:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/10/12/road_to_mac_os_x_leopard_time_machine.html
]]>Oct 25th 2007 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
However, for years I heard people tell me that Apple was dead and their OS sucked. It wasn't Linux users, it was Windows users. Now that Apple has turned around and in my opinion made a better operating system, Windows users are now getting some lip back and are crying about it.

Competition is good and keeps companies honest. Right now OS X Leopard has the limelight and I think it bests Vista. However, that may change in a few updates, who knows. Instead of complaining about Mac users bashing Vista, why not ride MS into improving Vista problems. We know it has them because just about every publication and user has said so. Remember Microsoft is the Goliath in this picture so expect stones. ]]>Oct 25th 2007 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
No, I don't know...and stop exaggerating.

"If the Apple platform is strong enough to stand on its own, it should be able to stand without crapping on Vista."

I think it stands on its own, Brian. The Apple Stores. The iPods. iPhone. The notebook computers. iTunes. They've succeed without Apple needing to "crap on Vista." Or even mentioning Vista.

It's the computer news Web sites that are crapping on Vista. Oh, and consumers as well.

"I use Vista on all of my computers, every day. So does my brother, my roommate, my friends, and many of my coworkers (beta testing at work)."

Great! It's just that there are a lot of people out there who have had major problems with Vista--to the point that the issue has become newsworthy, and MS has promised a service pack to address these issues.

"You can't throw crap hardware at Vista and expect it to work well. Nor can you expect it to work well with the crapware that PC makers install (I'm looking at you, Norton/McAfee)."

People who have quality, brand new computers are having problems. And you can't blame the developers as a whole. If MS wanted Vista to be a bigger success with fewer bugs, it should have worked more closely with ISVs.

"So, please, don't tell me how much you hate Vista. I'm sure Leopard is a nice upgrade. Let it stand for itself."

You're the one mentioning them in the same breath. Since they're both recent major OS releases, there's inevitably going to be comparisons.

Don't feel sorry for Microsoft, Brian. It made its own bed. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who have to lie in it--and they're not very happy about it. ]]>Oct 25th 2007 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
Thanks for finally mentioning some improvements in Vista that are worth-while. Normal Vista reviews go on and on about what MS calls the "wow" which is, well, lame for the most part. But things like "resume CIFS (Network Places) file transfers" - that's awesome, and I didn't know that!

I played with Vista for not very long because I got annoyed with the (much worse) wireless networking controls and other little niggles, and my machine was slow even though it's a 2x2GHz 2GB RAM laptop with X1600 card that _should_ be way fast for all intents and purposes - probably driver issues if you ask me, but whatever it is if your machine wasn't built in 2007 it might be slow for Vista even if it has all the right specs - something to keep in mind!

I don't buy your "who invented what first" list and Apple keeps dumping on MS because whatever they do, MS copies it. Such is life - we have to accept both the copying and the dumping. Nevertheless, thumbs up for your Vista mini-review!]]>Oct 25th 2007 11:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
Either way, Microsoft was the one who decided to continue support for Win XP and allow buyers to choose which OS they wanted to install on new computers. There is definitely something behind Microsoft calling that move. If Vista was everything it was cracked up to be, there would only be a choice of Vista and everyone would be satisfied.

I had installed Vista Ultimate to try it and although it is okay, I don't think it's that much better than Windows XP for the average user. And it definitely required more processing power than Win XP Pro. I don't hate Vista or Win XP Pro. They're both usable to me but I'll continue to stick with Win XP Pro.

As for us Apple users trashing Vista, it shouldn't make any difference to you. You like Vista, you use it, it works for you and that's all that matters. We're just having some fun. Us saying Vista ain't that great doesn't mean anything. We're just in a Leopard funk and enjoy annoying the heck out of Windows users. Bear with it for a week or two and then we'll forget that Vista ever existed.]]>Oct 26th 2007 12:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
I'm a rabid Mac fan, and I really wish he'd drop the "sunshine and ponies" routine when Apple releases something. The closest he's gotten lately is ripping on Numbers from iWork '08.
]]>Oct 25th 2007 2:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
Apple's "300 new features!" page is really quite irritating. The number of new "features" seems to get larger with every release, and what they actually mean gets smaller.

Some "features", like grammar checking, are truly useful. But others, like "Secure wireless networks are identified by a lock icon." are basic UI elements that should have been there long ago. There are even features that I'm pretty sure already exist in tiger, like the Terminal "Inspector Window".

There's also a LOT of padding. Some of the features are subdivided into 30+ "features". Having parental control preferences isn't a separate new feature!]]>Oct 25th 2007 3:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
I wonder how many people have ordered Leopard on the basis of it having a new dictionary language...

PS: I bought it for the Time Machine, I can't wait to give it a spin. I think I'm gonna go and see what all the fuss in the 60s was about first
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thanks!]]>Oct 25th 2007 2:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Search for the sales agreement en take a look in there; it should say something about this.
But i doubt this works for refurbs. ]]>Oct 25th 2007 7:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/]]>Oct 25th 2007 2:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 2:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/]]>Oct 25th 2007 3:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/why not talk about...Will Wright vs Steve Jobs vs Steve Ballmer vs Larry Ellison in a 4-way battle royale?
or tag teams, its up to you guys.]]>Oct 25th 2007 3:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Then off in the corner Jobs is convincing everyone else not to hit him.]]>Oct 25th 2007 4:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/
What's that, I don't ever remember paying extra for a windows service pack, which is really all this is for OSX.]]>Oct 25th 2007 3:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/leopard-reviews-coming-in-usual-suspects-agree-its-all-gravy/Oct 25th 2007 3:40AM