http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/ Engadget Comments for Getting Leopard's BSOD? Try uninstalling APE. http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
really.. my xp install hasn't blue screened for years. but whatever. we all have selective hearing I guess.

good luck to all those affected who aren't fanboys.]]>Oct 28th 2007 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
Uhm.. as long as you don't install apps? So the 6 useful apps for mac that you CAN do something with should not be used? Isn't that what you mac fan boys always make fun of US for as well? "Yeah, you guys have tons of software.. tons of CRAP software". But then it happens to YOU guys and the first thing you blame is the same thing that you just finished joking US for?

You guys really need to assemble so that you can get your insults correct... and not just to jerk each other off and compare .png dock icons.]]>Oct 28th 2007 11:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
One of my favorite apps running on OS X is APE. I have been using it for 2 or 3 version and I love it! It lets me and other people do what Apple wont let us do. What do you think we suppose to do with our new 10.5 OS, only install Apple apps?

Besides, I wonder if your statement also applies to the iPhone?]]>Oct 29th 2007 2:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 7:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 29th 2007 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 7:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 30th 2007 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 7:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 9:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/1) I thought BSODs were unique to Windows... Never used a mac before, so wouldn't know.

2) Is that the Mac BSOD? Funky...

I guess it's not just Windows that has crashes, huh...]]>Oct 28th 2007 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
2. No, that's not Leopard's blue screen... Not by a longshot. ]]>Oct 28th 2007 7:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 10:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
Oh yeah, i remember the little bomb - freakin awesome!
Just played with it over and over...]]>Oct 29th 2007 6:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 7:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
Moreoever, this is entirely due to Unsanity's APE (Application Enhancer), which is known to be an UGLY hack that, considering it broke between different releases of Tiger, is not surprising that it is broken in Leopard. Also, Unsanity's website lists APE as leopard-incompatible. I personally hope they never fix it - read up on just how APE works and you'll wonder who in their right mind would write an application to do that.]]>Oct 28th 2007 8:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
And I'd assume that Engadget would do the same.]]>Oct 28th 2007 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
well most of the time Windows doesn't cause BSOD, it's the faulty, buggy drivers provided by hardware manufacturers. Are you bitching at them? No......]]>Oct 28th 2007 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
Actually, I have often bashed Nvidia over how crap-tacular their Vista support has been, and don't get me started on Polaroid or Epson. However, somehow, I think that would be offtopic :)

Also, there's no "i" in manfesto.]]>Oct 28th 2007 9:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/ Proccesses -> Show processes from all users -> crss.exe -> End Process

And now you have seen a BSOD in Windows Vista. What a horrid operating system, bluscreening when you kill system processes.]]>Oct 28th 2007 11:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
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I just did a complete, feature by feature comparison of the Dell Inspiron (the hot 13" that everyone seems to like) vs. the Macbook.

Out of 25 features, Apple was ahead on five, Dell was ahead on another five (neither vendor by much, just slightly different) and they were dead-on the same on the other 10 features.

And the Apple, with a fully supported UNIX-based OS, was $100 less. Hmmm....

I did the comparison because I honestly don't care which one I use, I'm an expert with both operating systems. I think everyone should do it.

And yes, I understand that you can cobble together a Windows PC from misc. parts you have laying around in your closet, or that you can get $500 worth of stuff from Newegg and build a functional PC yourself (I've done it). I'm talking about doing a comparison feature by feature. Warranty, each hardware specification, etc. Do that, and I think you will find that Apple is extremely competitive.

But that wouldn't be rational now, would it?

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Again, the minority with this issue are those with Unsanity's APE (update to version 2.0.3 BEFORE installing 10.5). ]]>Oct 28th 2007 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
To each his own.]]>Oct 28th 2007 8:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
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On the topic at hand, I don't think this (the actually story, not the subject of your post) is horribly surprising. Leopard may not be the under the covers leap in architecture that Vista was (Vista was roughly a 60% code rewrite even if much of the effort is unnoticed, hence the 5 years of development) but I would still expect any application that hooks into the kernal to need at least a bit of updating to play nice given the numurous changes. And any third party code that hooks into kernal space is a potential source of hangs and crashes, regardless of OS (fanboys on both sides, settle down. It happens to both OS vendors and is usually a 3rd parties fault. Change is innevitable, and actually desired. The OS vendor cannot feasibly be responsible for making sure all third parties can actually adapt to the change)

For the record though, OS X doesn't BSOD in the same way as Windows NT based OSes (amusingly the term was popularized with the 9x line that also don't truly BSOD even if they have a blue stall screen of the same color). BSOD refers specifically to the blue screen crash dump spew that happens after a component (usually a driver) toasts the windows kernel, and generally you don't see it much since 2000 (not just because the OS is generally hardened and more stable, but also because it often doesn't perform a dump first and simply reboots). The Apple kernel panic response is to blacken the whole screen and freeze input. It sometimes (but rarely) recovers and proceeds but most of the time a reboot takes place to restore the system. In this instance though, the OS is stalling at load time before it is at a point to display true kernel panic behavior.

Random trivia, since 2000 there is also a darker blue crash screen that gets displayed when hardware is hosed. Those screens make me cry because it means I need to fork out money to fix the problem instead of just rebooting or tinkering with software.]]>Oct 28th 2007 8:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 29th 2007 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 29th 2007 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 8:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
"Crash Different"]]>Oct 28th 2007 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/Oct 28th 2007 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/28/getting-leopards-bsod-try-uninstalling-ape/
I'm not saying that Apple software is bug free (far from it actually), but Application Enhancer is a big, ugly, nasty hack, and I've always refused to put it on any of my systems, even before all of this Leopard blue screen stuff happened.

It's been known for a while that APE is a problem, and many people strongly discourage its use. The problem is that a lot of add ons rely on it as a framework, so people end up installing it without realizing what they're doing.

A selection of quotes from Wikipedia to drive this home:

"Many developers ... advise users to remove Application Enhancer modules, the Application Enhancer framework, and the Application Enhancer daemon before contacting customer support for help with their applications."

"Application Enhancer modules are also a source of controversy amongst system administrators who regularly run into stability issues on computers running the Application Enhancer framework."

"The Application Enhancer framework has also been a source of controversy for security issues exposed in the Month of Apple Bugs when it was found Unsanity were leaving a root-enabled executable fully accessible (and writable) by non-root accounts."

In short, it's a terrible piece of software, and no one should have it installed.]]>Oct 28th 2007 8:51PM