http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
Check this out:

Gateway One: $1499
-1.5 Ghz C2D
-2GB RAM
-400GB HD
-256MB Video
-19 inch screen

similar iMac: $1527
-2.0 Ghz C2D
-2GB RAM
-320GB HD
-128MB Video
-20 inch screen

So basically its give and take with the two. Honestly, any unbiased reviewer could easily see that both are similiar, very similar.

You pay $27 more for the iMac for: bigger screen, 500 Mhz, less video ram and less HD space.]]>Nov 1st 2007 10:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/ the imac your pricing is $1200
and your specs are off the 1500 has a 2.4 c2d

2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
250GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128MB memory
$1,199.00


2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
320GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory
$1,499.00
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I'm sorry, I totally forgot that Apple's computers lack any sort of appreciable form of feet, better pack a laptop into a screen like platform, and are made of biodegradable plastics. I'll give you that one Chris, you sly guy you.

"Gateway's customer support is like phoning the gates of hell"

Yeah tell me about it, I've tried to call hell so many times, always a damn busy signal!

"nothing of the worth of the operating system"

Frosting on the cake my good chris, pure frosting.

Consider this, why do most prominent businesses around the world operate on Windows platforms and not OSX? I think it has something to do with the worthless architecture of Windows...]]>Nov 1st 2007 11:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/

http://www.gateway.com/configurator.php?product_recid=529667523

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/9104003/wo/Zk3aoGukg7nm2zwUcxAUtPQe2bd/2.?p=0

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Don't forget also that iMacs come with iLife, which is a useful suite of software for home use. ]]>Nov 2nd 2007 1:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
Why don't you just link to the main site instead of fudging the numbers?
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=7B723646&node=home/shop_mac/family/imac
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Sure, Max. You could do that, but the point of my comment was objectivity. The closest computer in the iMac lineup to the 19inch One is the 20inch iMac, which, when configured as close to the One as possible, is around the same price. What you offer is analogous to comparing an 8GB Nano to a 30GB Zune. Yeah, they are both mp3 players, but you'd be more accurate to compare the Nano to, say, a Sansa.

"Why don't you just link to the main site instead of fudging the numbers?"

Wow. I think the only fudging going on here is between you and a rainbow apple. If you honestly cannot see the objectivity of comparing a similar 20inch iMac to a 19inch Gateway, then you are what is known as 'biased'.

This is not a bipartisan issue here, fellow nerds. The point is that objectivity is lacking from Mossberg. He's been romping with that same apple as temp. Gross.

You should never give your undivided love for any company, especially in an industry where investments cost up to $2000. When that happens, you just set yourself up to be used and abused by said company. Competition is good for the CONSUMER. So Apple guys, why are you guys so scared?]]>Nov 2nd 2007 4:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Your're talking bs:
The iMac screen has a much higher resolution.

If you configure the iMac with a 500GB hd and 2GB of memory, your're about the same price but have a faster processor and better keyboard and mouse ... and: the much better OS.

You're still trying to argue that Macs are more expensive and that for no reason.

And that lets me wonder about your objectivity.]]>Nov 2nd 2007 5:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
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Lets add in PC Magazine - http://www.pcmag.com/
They went from shunning Apple's product (hey they're 'PC' Mag) to salvation over them. iMac was giving good reviews, high ratings (4.5), iPod Touch was just given the highest ever rating (5), Apple Laptops (4.5) all from PC Mag.

Leopard rated (4.5) "Arguably the best consumer operating system available"
Compared to Vista's (3.5) "Vista: Look Before You Leap"

They must be doing something right, right?]]>Nov 1st 2007 10:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 10:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 11:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
I'm not surprised to hear that coming from Mossberg. Is he really a reliable source to get a review from? I don't think so. ]]>Nov 1st 2007 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 11:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 2nd 2007 3:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
But that doesn't mean that his points aren't valid. It does seem like less of a computer for the same or more money. I personally think that it looks better than the iMacs, but that's a personal opinion. I don't actually buy my computers based on what they look like, so that doesn't matter. If I were forced to choose between the two, I would take the iMac too. Faster, bigger screen, and I can put XP on it as well.]]>Nov 1st 2007 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 11:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Excuse me, but I didn't quite hear you at the end when you mentioned something rude about Vista. Could you please repeat what you said?



I just wanted to add that BSODs are a feature. It's considered a built-in rest break. They were supposed to add in a WSOD and a RSOD in honor of 9/11/2001.]]>Nov 2nd 2007 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
"All the iMacs come with a better operating system"

I think that it's pretty subjective which OS is better, but he wrote it like it's fact. OS X, Vista, XP, Linux . . . they all have their ups and downs and they all have their place in the OS market.]]>Nov 1st 2007 9:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 2nd 2007 12:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 2nd 2007 12:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 2nd 2007 2:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
BSOD are usually caused by idiotic users who messed things up. And to get two BSODs you must really be doing something completely idiotic.]]>Nov 2nd 2007 3:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
Also, I'm a semi-daily reader of the WSJ, and due to my tech affiliation, I read a lot of Mossberg's articles. I'm perfectly fine if he wants to rate Leopard over Vista, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but that article in particular just felt like it had little or no evidence. All of his comments just felt excessively subjective. ]]>Nov 2nd 2007 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 10:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 2nd 2007 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 9:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
Going by this way of thinking, it must also mean that when a reviewer gives HP, Dell or any other PC a Good review they have to be on the PC/Windows Payroll which then means if they give Mac PC a bad review they are also on the PC/Windows Payroll.

Looks like they are starting to behave like politicians, they never speak the truth.


]]>Nov 1st 2007 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 2nd 2007 12:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 10:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/Nov 1st 2007 10:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/The review would have been credible if Moss had just said that the "One makes lots of noise and is very expensive..." But he lost his credibility when he said "One makes lots of noise and is expensive WHEN compared to an iMac"
It is like you are taking this class and you are doing really, really bad. Now the prof walks to you and instead of saying "Hey, you are going wrong here and here and you need to improve here", he says you are doing very bad compared to the guy sitting next to you... Is the prof wrong? No. Is he rude... Yes.]]>Nov 2nd 2007 3:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/mossberg-reviews-the-gateway-one-accidentally-reviews-the-imac/
Years ago (2002-2003), Mossberg wrote how the Palm was superior to Windows Mobile. It never was, and is now history, while Windows Mobile, the far more powerful alternative is now up to its 6th generation. Palms had the simplicity factor if you didn't know Windows, but, otherwise, Windows Mobile is superior in every way.

Similarly with Windows, Windows supports far more software and hardware than does MAC, so if you want a machine that'll likely have software other than Office and Photoshop, you need a PC.

So, Mossberg saying the Gateway is inferior to iMac is missing the point; they're not direct competitors, and only a Microsoft-hater, which I suspect he is given the above, and/or an Apple-fanboy would frame things the way he did. (Yes, you can dual-boot Vista on an iMac, but that adds to the cost, and is not the point of the device.)

For example, "Shockingly, for those who still cling to the notion that Windows machines are always priced lower than comparable Macs..."

Shockingly, Windows machines are generally priced lower than Apple, so no reason to be shocked, Mr. Mossberg. Reading a little further on, we find "But the Gateway...has more memory than the iMac -- double the amount in the base model and triple in the $1,799 model. The One also has larger hard disks -- 320 gigabytes in the base model compared with Apple's 250 gigabytes, and 500 gigabytes in its top model compared with 320 gigabytes on the same-price iMac.

The Gateway also has a wireless keyboard and mouse, which cost extra from Apple, plus built-in slots for camera memory cards, which Apple doesn't offer. On the high-end model, Gateway throws in an external TV tuner, something Apple doesn't include."

So it's not really $100 more for the Gateway base config than the iMac base config as you claimed Mr. Mossberg, is it? The additional $100 more than covers the reader, extra RAM and extra disk space, even with a smaller LCD.]]>Nov 1st 2007 10:24PM