http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/No one..not even the cto's at Palm inc think so much as Engadget thinks about the best for Palm.]]>Nov 5th 2007 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
But I'm starting to think you're right, and that maybe we want to see Palm succeed more than Palm actually does.]]>Nov 5th 2007 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
If someone owns stock in a company we are about to write about for the first time, that person is recused from being a part of the editorial process in any way shape or form regarding that business, and is strongly encouraged to sell their stock immediately. (That, however, hasn't ever happend that I recall.)]]>Nov 5th 2007 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
P.S: Chicago rocks!]]>Nov 6th 2007 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
If they really don't see this as an opportunity worth jumping on.. well.. they've been consistently wrong about everything for the last several years. I can't say I would be shocked.]]>Nov 5th 2007 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 3:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
If they had a platform that could _compete_ with Android, that might be something. But they don't, and it's unlikely they'll have one next year. Palm is screwed, but it has very little to do with Android; that's just one more nail in the coffin - the coffin they put themselves in by refusing to innovate for years.]]>Nov 5th 2007 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
Cheers]]>Nov 5th 2007 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
If it doesn't have at least an 800 pixel width, don't bother putting a web browser on the phone. Seriously.

Also, web pages should render as if they were in 1024 or 1280 width, obviously.

Thanks.
-Johan

PS> If your phone has 800 pixel or higher resolution I will buy it on day one.
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I think Google's platform will be interesting, but if I understand it correctly, it's nothing but a way to get ads on my phone while I continue to pay high fees for access. Open source or not, I want some *value* out of the deal or no ads.
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http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9521/palm-no-plans-to-join-googles-open-handset-alliance/]]>Nov 5th 2007 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
I don't foresee a future for Palm as anything other than a division, if that, of another company.]]>Nov 5th 2007 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
Motorola, don't screw up like you did with Apple and ROKR!]]>Nov 5th 2007 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 6th 2007 1:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
Brilliant.]]>Nov 5th 2007 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Don't pigeonhole Nokia into Symbian. With the work they're doing on their internet tablets, they could simply be another arm of the Linux Phone family (OpenMoko, gPhone, and the motorola linux phones (RAZR2) being the other parts of that family).

]]>Nov 5th 2007 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
my .02]]>Nov 5th 2007 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 5:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
This will suffer from the same issues the iPhone does... if it doesn't plug right into Exchange it will be useless... that is what most smartphones are used for. if you have ever tried to get the BB Enterprise Server setup at a large company you will learn to LOVE windows mobile.

Also... look at all the apps available for windows based smartphones... there are TONS of different media players, etc... but no one EVER relates those 3rd party apps to windows mobile... they just compare what is in the core wm build... This sounds like a stripped down OS that a bunch of freeware developers will write stuff for... YIPPEE!!! I can't wait to have a bunch of 12 year olds writing my phone application!!!]]>Nov 5th 2007 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
Why would Palm flat out turn down Google, especially considering they have already released products running Windows Mobile? I have a couple of ideas. First, there is the perpetual question, will this be another forever beta google product, but that is a pretty cheap shot. More realistically, google has announced a tailored build of Linux for the mobile market (been done by several people) obstensibly with a web browser tailored to the mobile market. This leaves a whole lot of questions unanswered that are incredibly pertinent to the mobile space. How approachable will their SDK be to 3rd party application developers relative to say, .Net on Windows Mobile? Will Google offer messaging out of the box comparable to other feature phones, and will it interop with MSN or AOL, or simply google chat? Will it have media functionality comparable to competing phones? Are all of these features things that OEMs will need to produce?

Perhaps the reason Palm isn't keen to the Google OS is because perhaps google didn't address these issues. The average consumer doesn't give a damn about what OS the phone runs. They care about what the phone can do, what the software can do. I didn't see anything about the Google OS that addressed this at all. It was all vaporware concerning their open platform with no details of what the OS really will deliver. If Palm is further along developing the software that consumers actually give a damn about (and considering their recent Hardware they seem more consumer rather than business oriented), what would be the compelling reason to switch? ]]>Nov 5th 2007 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
Average take time and something exceptional, take simply a lot of time...]]>Nov 5th 2007 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
A lot of it depends on how far they have come. If both are Linux variants, would it be a total loss in development to move to the Android model ? Probably not, but only Palm could answer this question.

Palm OS still provides an excellent user experience on devices like Treo 680 and it's been thoughtful & reliable. I would still recommend a non-Windows Palm Treo for a smartphone. I hope they do well and take issue with the "die" part of the article title.
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Either that or Palm employs John Conner who realized this the first step in Skynet destroying mankind.

Someone said it - this is like Manna from Heaven for Palm but they are too dumb to realize it. In the meantime, my T/X doesn't work for shit with Vista because they can't even program the software they have let alone make a new one.

Make no mistake, clever programmers will skin Android to make the phone of your wettest dreams and Apple will look like a skanky old lady sitting on a park bench smoking a cig.]]>Nov 5th 2007 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
You don't know what you are talking about. The SDK will be released even before the iPhone's! I have used Palms for 15 years and the past few have been a terrible abuse of its customers. ]]>Nov 5th 2007 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 5th 2007 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
One major "problems" with Palm OS is that it's already too open... There are many hundreds of programs for Palm, that is so badly written that they make the system unstable or hang and then does many people blame the OS and not the faulty program... And it would either ruin Palm or make the programs dramatically more expensive, if Palm actually did control and validate the code of the many thousands of program, that are made for Palm!

Hopefully will Palm include a function in their new OS that (a) warn for problematic programs, telling you whats wrong and maybe that you should replace it with a new version, plus (b) inform you clearly (there is a hidden log function) what program it was that made the OS hang!]]>Nov 6th 2007 2:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/Nov 6th 2007 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/
I suspect that that Palm OSII got delayed because of the bar set by the iPhone and the need to at least match Android. That is the glass half full talking. OTOH noting I have seen from Palm closes the door to adopting Amdroid as one of three platforms, Palm, WM and Android.]]>Nov 12th 2007 12:57AM